On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 2:02 AM, James A. Donald <jam...@echeque.com> wrote:

> On 2013-11-06 21:11, Peter Gutmann wrote:
>
>> I'm arguing for incremental upgrades to existing protocols, not
>> greenfields
>> developments.
>>
>
> Observe email.
>
> You can't get there from here.
>
>
>  It's probably too late to invent a "better TLS" or "better PGP"
>> or "better S/MIME" now (although we can always do a better IPsec :-), so
>> we
>> have to incrementally upgrade existing universal-substrate protocols as
>> best
>> we can.
>>
>
> Network effects make it hard to get a better TLS adopted, but SSH replaced
> telnet.


No, ssh replaced rlogin :-)
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