I kinda agree with you. If you dont like ads when you surf the internet you use adblocker for your browser. If you dont like ads on game-servers, you change server.If you do like the community and want to support them you can change the filter in the adblocker to allow ads showing for that community. Thats what I do. I know the community Im a part of needs the ad money so I dont use adblocker on that site. Its my choice and the players have the same choice. You dont have to agree about ads in MOTD. Just accept that its a good and working solution for some and others not. From: mail...@go-free.info To: csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 00:22:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Latest steam update broke the webkit in-game
You’re trying to tell me how to run a community, yet I run one since 2009.My servers have been ranked top1 for long periods and my best server is still ranked 9th worldwide.Here are some of the servers we host for my community, my secondary community and our clients (that don’t pay a single cent to run the servers):https://scrn.storni.info/2015-12-15_00-11-3450.png We guarantee to each of our 109 running servers the best uptime possible, low latency, stable framerate, availability in America and Europe and DDoS protection.My forum (https://forum.elite-hunterz.info/forum.php) has “only” 2514 members and we received donations for more than 4000€ during the past years. I know how to run a community, and my community is very happy at the current state. I still think you’re wrong and selfish for telling others how to run a community JUST because your strategy works.In real life there is not just ONE strategy, there are many. Look at Google, running one of the biggest empires out there JUST with ads. Then look at apple, running another empire by overcharging customers.Or look at Finland, taxing the hell out of people but giving them paid education, free healthcare and much more, then look at the US having low taxes but more complementary services that you can pay for. My point is that yes, your strategy might work, but there are other strategies out there and we’re free to use them as long as we have players playing on our servers and they accept them. Best regards,Niko From: csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Saint K. Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 12:12 AM To: csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Latest steam update broke the webkit in-game Let me run it down real quick for you. People would donate (and still do, by the way) for the experience of having a nice home to play their games at. Providing the server is just one of the few things you do as game-community host. Besides the server, you organize things to do for your community members, things such as tournaments, playnights, etc. Together you build a clan or community based on your values of life. This also created a wide diversity among the communities and clans, everyone had a place to go to feel home. Some clans and communities were all about serious stuff, competitions, etc. Others about just fun. Some were about specific types of people finding a place together. Together you build your community including your servers. And by building this you gain supporters, people willing to pay a few bucks a month to chip in for any cost. That is how you run a community or clan based on group funding instead of adwhoring your servers. This is how you create and maintain a healthy community around games (such examples, gladly, are still around. Just look at the hostable games which don’t include the option for ads. The communities around those games are much healthier, the servers are much more enjoyable and you get to bond as group much faster as well) Saint K. From: csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of mail...@go-free.info Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 12:00 AM To: csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Latest steam update broke the webkit in-game Willing to pay for what?Nowadays anything “cool” is illegal or not worth donating for.You tell me how much of a content on surf servers can be provided for money.Plus, on top of frequent players, there are a lot of new players that just come for a while, then disconnect and show up after only weeks. These will never donate any money but they still use my services. For example I run several 24/7 surf servers that only play one map. Why? Because players want to be able to surf without interruptions on a single map. What am I supposed to do if I want to serve 10 different maps both in EU and US? If you enjoy serving these servers with either loss or no gain at all then I’m happy for you. In my case I am a university student and even going to Mc Donald’s is something I have to be careful with since money doesn’t grow on trees in my country, therefore I see advertising as a very optimal solution to my problems. You don’t like it? Feel free to black list my servers. But don’t come judging us for our financial strategy. Back on topic: there was a steam update about an hour ago, however that didn’t fix the issue. BR,Niko Also @Neuro, while I agree, I think you just contributed to the spam using that tone.From: csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Saint K. Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:47 PM To: csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Latest steam update broke the webkit in-game For over a decade we managed just fine without ads. We had high quality communities and clans all with their own server. Your need for having as much servers as possibly is purely driven from an e-penis point of view. We used to value quality over quantity, this is, without a doubt, completely wrecked by both allowing advertisements in-game as well as the quick-play system. I remember days where VALVe furiously shutdown companies who tried to introduce ad placements on the maps. The statement that ads are very important for the continuation of the game is a blatant lie. It only proves one thing, and that is your inability to put down a concept which people are willing to donate for. Saint K. From: csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Hail Minecraftia Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 6:31 PM To: csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Latest steam update broke the webkit in-game back when i were a lil boy when i used 2 play 1.5 and 1.6 (idk witch I have adhd self diagnosed though so take this with grain of salt) it was a lot of fun ads are very important for the continuation of the game and the game industry in general like ppl might get mad at skins and for what skins are good for the game healty and stop from having op stuff in the game like imagine if you payed real money for the r8 to shit on kids if that were the case i would rather buy cheats lol( ;) ) but also on the other cheek ads are really shitty to look at i dont want to but ariel liquitabs i dont clean my clothes i have parents to do that form e i dont do ironing so i dont even see how the ads are relevant to countrstrike so i vote to remove them -big nig On 14 December 2015 at 17:29, <mail...@go-free.info> wrote:@Valve and everyone elseThe whole process can be seen here in a video I just recorded.https://scrn.storni.info/2015-12-14_18-21-0297.mp4 also @Ejizponken, nobody likes adverts, but nobody likes paying either. You watch adverts on your TV, on the internet, while you drive, at school, on your phone. And even if you don’t like them, they’re a way to sell stuff to people and a way for advertisers to fund their service. If you don’t like a certain TV channel because of their ads then you don’t watch it anymore. If you don’t like a server because it’s ads supported, then you blacklist it. As simple as that. BR,Niko From: csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of iNilo Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 6:18 PM To: csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [Csgo_servers] Latest steam update broke the webkit in-game I can now confirm that dynamic pages are indeed broken.Static HTML seems to be working fine. 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