No need to be a dick against anyone. We're all here just because we have
one thing in common, running servers. If you aren't for that here or
have nothing contributing to say, you should not post at all.
Let me tell you how i've done since 2004, - ive paid the bills myself
from my own pocket and along the way few frieds wanted to contribute
too. Run gameservers for many valve games in the past. I've never ran
any advertisement or accepted donations from players.
I managed just fine up untill the moment when Valve directed most of the
traffic to their own servers in TF2 and in CSGO the community servers
were always on the side, and became more on the side once item drops
were disabled from them and alowed only on the valve servers.
While you can have active community server, you need to be located in
some place that has active players throughout nearly every time of the
day and invest a lot of hours to make it work decently and manage map
lists etc. As for player donations, if players find a server they like
and have friends and such, they will donate towards having that place in
the future too. See UKCS for example, they still play CS Source and have
active community.
Times are different now than before. As long as Valve or anyone else
runs their own servers, community servers are pretty much dead or mod
infested advertisement hells. This may or may not change in the future,
but times are different now than over 5 years ago.
Just my 2 cents.
-ics
Andrew Jackson kirjoitti:
Saint K is so adorable. Very strong, hard coded opinions about how
community servers should be run based on his 18 years of real life
community operating experience. If communities aren't run how he
thinks they should, they should die a painful death, their owners
probably should too huh?
Let's take a look at Saint K's well maintained community that survives
on donations and nothing more. Head on over to specialattack.net
<http://specialattack.net>. There you can see their donation counter
in the top left corner, which SHOCKINGLY reads $0 of $160 needed and
here we are halfway through the month! Can you believe it? I can't. It
absolutely has to be an error because his highly developed website
(circa 1999) and the non-existing TF2 & CSGO game servers that he is
running during peak hours in Europe definitely must draw more than
enough happy supporters that are willing to donate their hard earned
money to his obviously well maintained community, as opposed to
spending their money on other games, skins, or things that help them
ensure their thirst for instant gratification is quenched.
And here Saint K is, no online CS:GO servers or anything, kind enough
to come to the CSGO servers mailing list and fill us all in on how
communities should be operated. His 2 CSGO servers (
https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=csgo ) are booming
with popularity (they aren't. they're not even online xD) and he is
sparing his precious time to help us by belittling our efforts and
throwing off personal insults.
Let's take a look at his TF2 servers. It APPEARS that he has a pretty
good amount and that at least 1 is popular (
https://hlstatsx.specialattack.net/hlstats.php?game=tf ). WRONG. Here
is that same stats page + player counts next to the Steam Server
browser where I added all his servers to my favorites. Kind funny how
only 1 of them is even online, it's Garry's Mod, and it's empty, that
is really weird: http://imgur.com/BoaCUh6
And lastly, here is his 1 single server that shows up in game tracker
(I tried every combination of special attack names to make sure this
was accurate):
http://www.gametracker.com/search/?query=specialattack&sort=2&order=ASC
So tell us more bullshit Saint K, you slimey weasel. All you ever do
is show up here, acting holier than thou, thinking you are something
special. Spoiler alert: you're not. You don't even peak anyone's radar
until you come flapping your gums. Your non existent servers are
empty. Your forums are dead. Donations don't exist outside of you
donating for appearances. Get over yourself, fuckin twat.
UPDATE: Just as I was finished writing this, he had a 19 dollar
donation show up on his counter. That is fucking hilarious. Saint, are
you sending the lunch money your mom gave you to your donations so it
looks like someone cares? Lol =D
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Absurd Minds
<goabs...@absurdminds.net <mailto:goabs...@absurdminds.net>> wrote:
Location is a huge factor. I can tell by your website you're based
in Europe (but I couldn't find your csgo servers?), which has a
much different cago community than America. There's a much greater
emphasis on competitive play in Europe and vanilla servers are
more accepted, whereas in America things are a lot more casual.
It's very difficult to get donations in America if you're not
providing something like skin plugins, and nobody cares enough
about any community to purchase a reserved slot. That's why almost
all American servers run ads or are simply paid out of pocket by
the owner. Things that work in one market don't always work in
other markets, and it's a huge mistake to generalize as if they do.
On Jun 14, 2017 11:23 AM, "Saint K." <sai...@specialattack.net
<mailto:sai...@specialattack.net>> wrote:
I've been running gaming communities since 1999.
That money grabbing attitude is something from the last 5-10
years.
Donations never have been an issue for any of the communities
I've dealt with. A simple reserved-slot reward is what users
receive on donating. It's simple economics - create something
people *want* and you shall have no problem surviving. If you
create half-assed shit whining about not being able to make
money, your servers deserve to die a painful death.
I already mentioned VALVe has no interest in us anymore.
They've achieved their wealth. People hosting
gamingcommunities are none of their interest anymore.
Complaining about any of these situations is not going to
help. It hasn't for the past years, and it surely won't help
now. They simply don't give a flying fuck.
Saint K.
*From: * Kristaps Kusiņš <kristap...@gmail.com
<mailto:kristap...@gmail.com>>
*To: * <csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com
<mailto:csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com>>
*Sent: * 6/14/2017 3:46 PM
*Subject: * Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a place to
report cheating servers, on website
You are a moron if you think that people want to pay for
something that they can get for free, I could apply the
same logic to valves decision, if people want to buy skins
they will buy them why block the plugins?
And those servers who continue running these plugins are
UNIQUE and they exist because players are paying for it,
so it is quite obvious what players actually want...
2017-06-14 15:30 GMT+02:00 Saint K.
<sai...@specialattack.net <mailto:sai...@specialattack.net>>:
That's where the communities went wrong.
You don't host servers to earn money with. You put
down a proper concept and people will donate out of
free will. That's how you pay for your servers.
If your concept fails, no donations, you have no
reason to exist.
Money grabbing idiots like you screwed shit up.
Saint K.
*From: * Kristaps Kusiņš <kristap...@gmail.com
<mailto:kristap...@gmail.com>>
*To: * <csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com
<mailto:csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com>>
*Sent: * 6/14/2017 2:49 PM
*Subject: * Re: [Csgo_servers] Valve should create a
place to report cheating servers, on website
The problem is that they don't realize we have to
pay server bills too...
On Jun 14, 2017 2:22 PM, "Andre Müller"
<gbs.dead...@gmail.com
<mailto:gbs.dead...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This concept of monetization kills the
community. You can observe day for day the
dwindling gameserver community.
Good bye srcds.
Kristaps Kusiņš <kristap...@gmail.com
<mailto:kristap...@gmail.com>> schrieb am Mi.,
14. Juni 2017 um 11:43 Uhr:
Why the heck there is such a thing as
forbidden plugins, that is like making a
mod for skyrim, and skyrim devs would ban
players for using it. This is just plain
stupid.
On Jun 14, 2017 11:37 AM, "Rolf Maas"
<zappe...@hotmail.com
<mailto:zappe...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
What is your point? They already get
banned every 2 days….
Yes, they get new tokens every
banwave… Valve doesn’t care, since
they’ll just earn more $$$$$$$$$$$
when they ban the servers.
Since Valve doesn’t care about the
community at all, people will always
use forbidden plugins. Maybe you just
should do the same… ;-)
-Rolf
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<csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com
<mailto:csgo_servers-boun...@list.valvesoftware.com>>
namens Nguyễn Bảo Danh
<danh20...@gmail.com
<mailto:danh20...@gmail.com>>
*Beantwoorden - Aan:
*<csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com
<mailto:csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com>>
*Datum: *woensdag 14 juni 2017 11:30
*Aan:
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<mailto:csgo_servers@list.valvesoftware.com>>
*Onderwerp: *[Csgo_servers] Valve
should create a place to report
cheating servers, on website
Valve should create a place to report
cheating servers, on website. We don’t
need to join their server to report in
game.
As we can Find they listing here:
http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife
<http://www.gametracker.com/search/csgo/?query=%21ws+%21knife>
Those servers with !knife !gloves !ws
plugins.
Thanks and best regards!
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