Rimantas Liubertas wrote: > <...> > >> Well, divs have no semantic meaning, so *any* div that you add to a page >> is for the purpose of design, really. There's no such thing as a >> semantic div, in the strict sense. But, I doubt you are looking for >> examples of sites that use neither tables nor divs, as that would be a >> pretty plain page. So I'm guessing you are looking for pages that >> structure the chunks of information on the page into divs with >> meaningful ids (which are nevertheless just there for style) and don't >> nest divs? >> > <...> > > I wouldn't be so strict.
I'm not. :-) The original poster was, and I replied in kind. If you want absolute 100% separation of content and presentation, and pure semantics, you can't use divs. But that's pretty silly. > Divs are/may be used to group related content > together, just like ol/ul groups a bunch of list items. Yes, <div> is > more general in semantic sense, but not without semantic meaning. > Ids can be used not only for the styling or DOM manipulation. Ids are > for that their name says - identification which can be useful in many ways. > Maybe we don't have default meanings for those things, but it does not mean > we cannot provide them. Class attribute has even less semantic meaning than > div element, but take microformats and it is no longer meaningless. > No, divs have no semantic meaning, inherently, in the pure sense of the word. They can contain anything -- thus, there is no "match" between the element and its content. An id can't establish semantics -- again, in the pure sense of the word. Divs and aren't non-semantic (like font or center elements), they are just a-semantic. Neutral. But this is just a debate about pie-in-the-sky theory about the meaning of words. Now, if you want to speak more generally, instead of in strict standards-speak, and say whether a div with an id of "header" that contains heading information for the site is meaningful, yes, it is. That way my point -- that all divs are inherently neutral, and are only used for presentation purposes, but that doesn't mean that you can't use divs selectively and in a meaningful way to create your designs. But this balance (what a meaningful div is and what an "extra" div is) is something that is determined by each individual. Zoe -- Zoe M. Gillenwater Design Services Manager UNC Highway Safety Research Center http://www.hsrc.unc.edu ______________________________________________________________________ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
