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"M. A. Johnson" wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
> nurev wrote:
> Typical Libertarian bullshit. America has a slightly mixed
> economy which is firmly in the hands of Capitalists. The
> very worst of both possibilities.
>
> It's the Capitalist Elites who enjoy the fruits of
> Socialism by owning the government. And it's the poor
> and working class who enjoy the bitter leftovers of
> capitalism.
>
> MJ:
> Your blatant contradiction of yourself aside ...
>
> Capitalism requires a SEPARATION of the economy and the
> state -- hardly a reality within the US.
You are absurd. Why don't you do a reality check to see if the
above statement bears any resemblance to reality?
> Nurev opined:
> This is the stupidest statement I've yet seen on the subject.
> I don't know what planet you live on, but on Earth, Capitalism
> can not exist without the state, and MUST control the state
> or die. Show me even ONE case where capitalism thrives
> independent of the state. EVEN ONE!!!
>
> MJ:
> There has NEVER been a truly capitalist society, though America
> came close during its first 150 years.
You mean Salvery???
> Nurev opined:
> Capitalism is an inherently unstable and self destructive
> economic system that REQUIRES the state to pull Capitalists'
> chestnuts out of the fire time and time again. Capitalists
> REQUIRE the state to protect their interests from competition.
> BUT WHO PROTECTS THE REST OF US FROM CAPITALISM? Not the state
> because the state is run by the very people we need the
> protection from.
>
> MJ:
> I am becoming dizzy from your Circulus in demonstrando, ad
> hoc and non sequitur.
Well said. But incoherant.
>
> By your above remarks:
> Capitalism is unstable and requires the state to save it ... yet the
> state is run by these same people who are unstable -- but
> capable of saving themselves. Certainly profound.
I said that capitalism is unstable, not necessarily its elite rulers.
This ploy was very unsubtle. You need to do better than that.
> American Heritage states:
>
> capˇiˇtalˇism (kāpšî-tl-îz´em) noun
> An economic system in which the means of production and
> distribution are privately or corporately owned and
> development is proportionate to the accumulation and
> reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.
>
> Capitalism means the complete separation of economy and
> state, just like the separation of church and state.
> Capitalism is the social system based upon private
> ownership of the means of production which entails a
> completely uncontrolled and unregulated economy where all
> land is privately owned. But the separation of the state
> and the economy is not a primary, it is only an aspect of
> the premise that capitalism is based upon: individual rights.
> Capitalism is the only politico-economic system based on
> the doctrine of individual rights. This means that
> capitalism recognizes that each and every person is the
> owner of his own life, and has the right to live his life
> in any manner he chooses as long as he does not violate the
> rights of others.
>
> The essential nature of capitalism is social harmony through
> the pursuit of self-interest. Under capitalism, the individual's
> pursuit of his own economic self-interest simultaneously
> benefits the economic self-interests of all others. In allowing
> each individual to act unhampered by government regulations,
> capitalism causes wealth to be created in the most efficient
> manner possible which ultimately raises the standard of living,
> increases the economic opportunities, and makes available an
> ever growing supply of products for everyone. The free-market
> operates in such a way so that as one man creates more wealth
> for himself, he simultaneously creates more wealth for everyone,
> which means that as the rich become richer, the poor become
> richer too. It must be understood that capitalism serves the
> economic self-interests of all, including the non-capitalists.
>
> Contrary to widely held beliefs, capitalism is not a system
> which exploits a large portion of society for the sake of a
> small minority of wealthy capitalists.
OK. This part was really funny. I like good satire.
>
> As I have previously pointed, America is mucked in a mixed
> economy much to our detriment.
>
> Nurev continued:
> I don't know what fantasy you live in, but pull your head
> out of wherever you've placed it and LOOK AROUND YOU.
>
> I want to control the state democratically and I don't want
> businessmen to run this society surreptitiously any longer.
> MJ:
> I would prefer the Government was restrained to its only
> legitimate function of protecting all individuals from force
> and fraud -- your idea of Tyranny by the majority is no more
> appealing than the Statist displacement we are currently
> saddled.
Too bad. I'm willing to chance the tyrany of the majority, because
we can no longer tolerate the tyrany of the Rich minority.
> Nurev:
> More people feel like I do due to the antics of people you
> seem to admire. In the end, it will go our way because there
> are more of us than there are of you. If you don't like
> that, you may leave. I suggest you go to Russia where your
> kind of economic philosophy is practiced.
>
> Take a sweater.
>
> MJ:
> Yes, I am familiar with the Myrmidons who prefer anything to
> liberty and freedom -- including the maintenance of a Kakistocracy..
Are you now learning English from Butterfly Psychotwat? You've come
a long way.
What we currently have is no Kakistocracy and never was. It is now
considered by our elites as an aristocracy, and that attitude goes
back
to the Founding Finagelers.
> I refrained from your other two (2) musings as they were
> not coherent.
>
> Regard$,
> --MJ
>
> What's *just* has been debated for centuries but let me offer
> you my definition of social justice: I keep what I earn and you
> keep what you earn. Do you disagree? Well then tell me how much
> of what I earn *belongs* to you -- and why? --Walter Williams
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-- Confessions of a Monopolist by Frederick C. Howe
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