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On 17 Feb 99, , Prudence wrote:
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> In a message dated 2/16/99 6:18:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> << For example, Hillary was way out in front of her
> husband a while back saying that she's in favor of a Palestinian State.
> New York has the most foreign policy-minded electorate in the nation
> (with the possible exception of California) and Israel is issue #1 in
> what Jesse Jackson called "Hymietown." >>
>
> Isn't it odd that the senator from New York State is elected on the principal
> issue of whether or not he or she approves of giving Israel vast amounts of
> money to be used to wipe out the Palestinians. Prudy
New York is an odd state. New York City is just 7 miles long and 2 miles wide. It is
one of the most cosmopolitan and multi-ethnic cities in the world Then there is the
rest of the state, which stretches North to Canada and West to the Great Lakes.
Those who live in this vast area are called "upstaters." They despise New York City
and all the people who live there. Since multi-ethnicity is concentrated in the city,
"upstaters" tend often (not always) to be racist, and yes, anti-Semitic, wanting
little or
no truck with folks who are different from themselves.
As someone who has lived in NY State all my life, I have never seen anyone elected to
office solely--or principally--on the basis of their stand towards Israel. Since Jews
represent 3% of the US population, even if a large number live in NY, they can never
form a majority. Moreover, they are divided into several groups, including Orthodox,
Traditional, and Reform--with a very large number of alienated Jews who do not
practice or affiliate themselves with any religious group. Most often, these groups do
not agree among themselves on most issues, including Israel. As in Germany, before
Hitler, most Jews who were born in the US want to ensure Israel's survival --having the
issue of the Holocaust always somewhere in the back of their minds (and given an
endless history of holocausts reaching back thousands of years, always imminent
with the fresh possibility of happening yet again)-- but consider themselves first and
foremost Americans--not Jews or Israelis.
The issues that stir New Yorkers (City) are the issues of poverty and education. The
NYC public schools are positively Dickensian in plant, supplies, etc. while upstate
schools fare far better thanks to exceedingly high property taxes. The disadvantaged
and mentally ill who cannot find jobs or help (like anywhere else) gravitate towards
and
are concentrated in the city. The number of homeless has increased exponentially,
now consisting more and more of families--even working poor--rather than alcoholic
men. The rural poor exist, but see no connection between their problems and the
problems of the urban poor.Upstaters are staunchly conservative and not sympathetic
to the problems of folks different from themselves.
In that New York is such a multi-ethnic city, I'm sure politicians pitch issues to
specific groups when they campaign and fund-raise. When they campaign, they pitch
to the powerful and wealthiest of each group--Israel to Jewish groups, job equity and
education, the "drug war" to Black and Hispanic groups, farm and rural issues to rural
groups. These are the soundbites you see on the news. The vote, however, comes
from people who are fired up about their schools and neighborhoods and very local
issues.
In New York City, where so many different groups manage to co-exist, for the most
part, in some kind of equanimity, I find it hard to believe that, outside of a small
radical,
ultra-rightwing group, New Yorkers (City) would not want to see some kind of
compromise reached whereby Israelis and Palestinians could live and work side by
side--as New Yorkers do--and find it exceedingly frustrating and hard to understand
why they cannot do so.
I would tend to think that most New Yorkers (City) would support a candidate who
would support the "Peace Process"--whether that process could lead to an equitable
settlement or no. As for upstaters, I would tend to think that the existence of Israel
and
its survival as a state would be, for the most part, of little or no interest
whatsoever.
As for Hillary--well, New York City is one of the few places where single women can
function and thrive and where having a male partner is not a sine qua non of survival.
I would think she would have very strong support from the women of New York City.
And there are many, many New Yorkers (City) who have found Guiliani a draconian
mayor, do not like the Republican agenda--which has stripped the city of significant
funding in favor of upstate interests ( and arrogantly increased salaries for a
Republican governor and his aides)-- and would be glad to vote for a Democrat, Liberal,
or Other.
As for myself, I think I'd prefer a "real" New Yorker. And I think Hillary would be
setting
herself up for an ordeal by fire--she could be ripped to shreds....as every other
female
candidate has been.
sno0wl
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