-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 98-12-14 14:37:53 EST, you write: << I have not posted anything pro-Clinton. His sell-out to the Chinese was more than a crime against the US, it was one against the world. The threat of the military satellite hardware he sold to the Chinese for the sake of donations to the Democrats apparently was the real reason behind India's nuclear blasts. It does, however, fall into the category of the October Surprise, where traitorous Reagan made a deal with enemy Iran in order to steal the election from Carter. We know he did it, but we can't prove it, and he will never be held accountable for it. He even repeated the pattern with Iran-contra and yet people still regard him as honorable.>> I have often thought that since Reagan was so incompetent and merely a mouthpiece, that Bush was running the Presidency even while Ronnie was in office. << Clinton has been up front in acknowledging that presidential power does not come from the Constitution but from secret ruling elites, who work for transnational corporate interests. This is the basic premise of Carroll Quigley's Tragedy and Hope, and Clinton regarded Quigley as his mentor at Georgetown, quoted him at the Democratic con. Secret elites and corporatism have not ordinarily been defined as the "left.">> Corporatism I would define as very right wing, but I'm not sure how to define the secret elites. I would also add that banking also plays a big part in the secret government. As for Q... "The CFR [Council On Foreign Relations, New York City] is the American Branch of a society which originated in England and believes national directives should be obliterated and one-world rule established. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years, and was permitted in the early 1960's to examine its papers and secret records ... I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known" - Dr. Carroll Quigley, Professor of International Relations, Georgetown University Foreign Service School, Washington, D.C., author of the epic "Tragedy & Hope", advocate of one-world government and personal mentor of President William Clinton (who acknowledged Professor Quigley during his 1992 presidential inauguration speech) << I'm with you on this, Bob. Impeach the son of a bitch. In fact, as Christopher Hitchens (a "leftist") says, cuff him and take him downtown. But it's not gonna happen. Clinton has the same protection as his pals Reagan and Bush.>> To bad we can't just oust the bunch of them and start over. Impeachment could get through the House, but not the Senate... we have no leadership in either. > Bush may have talked about the NWO, but Clinton is ushering it in with a red > carpet, our money, and soon our blood. <<All at the behest of Bush, who Clinton covered up for at Mena, whose sons now run Texas and Florida, whose oil American blood will be shed over. That's not just talk. >> It may go farther than that. I think George Jr. will be the next President and if he is anything like his Dad or Grandfather... we'll be up to our necks in trouble. Excellent Thinking, Regards, Bob Stokes</PRE></HTML> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om