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Hi all,
I for one to not believe the bottom at all, it is all rubbish and I am not
that gullable to believe such trash..
enough said
At 11:54 AM 3/13/1999 -0800, you wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
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>> -Caveat Lector-
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>>James,
>>
>>Thanks for this article. I have to think about this for a bit. If there
>>truly is an issue of brutality than this is unacceptable under any
>>circumstances and especially from a man of peace. The issue of a strict
>>religious order I have no problem with. That is the structure of the
>>belief system and it is inappropriate for me to comment on that IMHO. In
>>the same way, that it isn't my place to comment or direct the Pope. I can
>>either choose to follow that belief system or not.
>>
>>Hilary
>>
>>----------
>>> From: James Burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: Re: [CTRL] HH The Dalai Lam's 3-10 Statement
>>> Date: Friday, March 12, 1999 4:36 PM
>>>
>>> -Caveat Lector-
>>>
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hilary A.
>>> Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>>> >His Holiness the Dalai Lama's March 10th 1999 Statement
>>>
>>> The Human Rights campaign of the Dalai Lama has not changed much
>>> since the CIA devised it for him in the 1960's. Unfortunately he seems
>>> to be a spent political force and the people with power know it. The
>>> Tibetan Diaspora is fragmented and dispirited under his leadership.
>>> Despite the large amount of money raised in the West for native
>>> Tibetans, little seems to be being done by HHDL for them.
>>>
>>> For another view of what is happening in Tibet and the Exiled
>>> community read the following:-
>>>
>>> Dark side of the Dalai Lama
>>>
>>> By Iain S Bruce
>>>
>>> Scotsman Newspaper 10th March 1999
>>>
>>> Is Tibet's spiritual leader fooling the West?
>>>
>>> To much of the Western world he is the very embodiment of kindness
>>> and peace, a gentle robed figure of great wisdom and limitless virtue.
>>> Feted by politicians, pop stars and Hollywood stars, the seemingly
>>> undisputed spiritual and political leader of the movement to free Tibet
>>> has always seemed like a pretty safe bet in a diplomatic arena
>>> populated by rogues and charlatans.
>>>
>>> The cracks in the Dalai Lama's impeccable image however, are beginning
>>> to show and accusations are being levelled with increasing frequency
>>> which link the 1989 Nobel laureate to religious repression despotism and
>>> murder.
>>>
>>> "The Dalai Lama has two faces. In the West he enthusiastically creates
>>> an atmosphere of liberalism and open dialogue; in the East he treats
>>> people as a monarch does his subjects," says Lama Kundeling, the abbot
>>> of the Atisha monastery in Bangalore and respected member of the
>>> exiled Tibetan community. "There is no freedom for us - he has total
>>> monopoly over all spiritual and secular matters and spreads confusion
>>> and distress among the Tibetan people."
>>>
>>> China invaded Tibet in 1951 and declared the region a semi-autonomous
>>> state of the People Republic, with the 15-year-old Dalai Lama at its
>>> head. In reality the set-up existed to rubber stamp Beijing's
>>> commands.
>>>
>>> Forty years ago today, responding to rumours that the Chinese were
>>> about to kidnap the Dalai Lama, 300,000 Tibetans formed a human
>>> barrier around his palace and clashed with the Chinese army. As
>>> Chinese heavy artlllery moved into range, the Dalai Lama escaped on
>>> foot to India, and began orchestrating a global, campaign to gain his
>>> country's indepen-dence, though he modified this demand to self-
>>> government in 1988. The Chinese subsequently pursued a regime of
>>> brutal oppression; while native Tibetans patiently wait for their leader
>>> to return and free them.
>>>
>>> Some 120,000 Tibetans fled to form exile communities across the
>>> globe, mostly in In-dia, where Dharamsala - site of the Lama's
>>> government in exile - is situated. The region has, since become the
>>> focal point of a modern pilgrimage undertaken by Westerners seduced
>>> by the image of a harmonious, contented society united under a 'single
>>> benign leader. Actors such as Richard Gere, Tim Rob-bins and Susan
>>> Sarandon have paid their devotions, while directors Oliver Stone and
>>> Martin Scorsese made idolatry movies and bands such as Kula Shaker,
>>> the Beastie Boys and Radiohead queued to appear in concerts raising
>>> funds for a free Tibet
>>>
>>> If these freedom-loving hipsters who wear their causes like a fashion
>>> accessory had heard some of the whispers escaping the heavenly state
>>> as it approaches its 40th anniversary, however, they might already
>>> have considered moving on to next year's fad.
>>>
>>> After the Dalai Lama issued a 1996 ban on the Worship of Dorje
>>> Shugden, a protector deity with many devotees among Buddhism's
>>> Gelugpa sect, Lama Kundeling's home in the Tibetan settlement of
>>> Mancoate, south-ern India, was attacked by masked monks who broke
>>> all the windows.
>>>
>>> The abbot attracted such at-tention by becoming the first Tibetan
>>> monk to arrange a for-mal protest against the Dalai Lama. In April
>>> 1996, he sought permission for a protest march involving Tibetan
>>> Buddhists, local Hindus and Catholics. He received visits from the local
>>> women's organisation, youth groups and the Dalai Lama's niece trying to
>>> dissuade him before a crowd of 75 Tibetans finally gathered at his
>>> house and handed him a letter stating that he should refrain from
>>> criticising the Dalai Lama. If not, it promised, he would "face dire
>>> consequences". He fled to Bangalore after an arrest warrant was issued,
>>> and alleges that since then, posters have been displayed in his
>>> former monastery declaring that if he returns he will be killed.
>>>
>>> Others are keen to debunk the Dalai Lama's pacifist image. Austrian
>>> Buddhist monk Helmut Gassner, who served as the Dalai Lama's
>>> interpreter for 17 years, claims he has evidence of threats against the
>>> life of rival lamas, torture, mutilation and murder. PK Dey, a human
>>> rights lawyer in Delhi, also claims to have over 300 sworn affidavits of
>>> abuse while Dr Ursula Bernis, an American academic who lived among
>>> the Tibetan population in India to research her book, Exiled From Exile,
>>> reports witnessing widescale intimidation and violence.
>>>
>>> Although the Dalai Lama has repeatedly asserted his com-mitment to
>>> democracy, of the Assembly of Tibetan People's Deputies' 46 assembly
>>> mem-bers, only 30 are elected, the rest are appointed by the Lama,
>>> and his family frequently enjoy high positions. The official re-sponse to
>>> such criticisms of the Lama is that they are simply not true, that the
>>> Lama is indeed a man of universal tolerance.
>>>
>>> Lama Kundeling, however, argues that it is ignorance and myth that has
>>> kept the image untarnished. The real tragedy of Tibet, he believes, is
>>> that it is caught between a rock and a hard place. On one hand the
>>> brutally oppressive Chinese regime, on the other an ancient tradition
>>> of feudal and spiritual dominance that brooks no questioning, no
>>> opposition. "That is the terrible irony. For all his squabbling, it is
>>the
>>> or-dinary people who suffer. In Tibet itself they still believe that he
>>is
>>> a superman who will one day free them, while in India he sits and does
>>> nothing real to help. What is to become of them, the poor and the
>>> ignorant?"
>>>
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