-Caveat Lector- <!-- Beginning of Information on Kosovo --> from the serbs themselves <A HREF="http://www.serbia-info.com/">Click here: Serbia Info News / Front page</A> <A HREF="http://www.sinkers.org/kosovo-demoMar2499/">Click here: "End U.S. War in Kosovo!", Washington DC 03.24.99</A> ><< Subj: ANOTHER MANUFACTURED WAR? > Date: 3/27/99 6:25:53 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Activist Mailing List) > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Activist Mailing List) > > Activist Mailing List - http://users.westnet.gr/~cgian/ > > Kosovo Crisis > > In conducting negotiations over the future of Kosovo, the Clinton > administration has deliberately kept both the Congress and the American > people in the dark. What follows is a detailed analysis of information > that is available in the foreign press but has so far received little if > any attention in the US. Although the details are complicated, the basic > situation is very clear: > > 1) The Clinton administration is calling for a NATO/US solution to the > Kosovo crisis because of a massacre of civilians which allegedly took > place in the village of Racak in Kosovo. > > 2) A French TV crew was present when Yugoslav police took the village and > say it was a fire-fight between Yugoslav forces and heavily-armed KLA > fighters. Yugoslav forensic authorities have declared the massacre a hoax: > dead KLA soldiers, they way, were redressed in civilian clothes and piled > into a ditch they had dug. > > 3) The forensic case has been settled by a Finnish team of physicians > brought in by the international community. However, the Finnish team’s > report has not been made public, even though it is now more than three > weeks since the dead have been buried. What is in that report is almost > certainly a confirmation of the Yugoslav position: a) because in leaving > Yugoslavia the Finns made a statement praising the high professional > standards of the Yugoslav forensic pathologists, and b) according to the > respected German newspaper Die Welt, the report is "a hot potato" that > will undermine the US position, and c) an independent forensics team from > Belarus came to the same conclusion as the Yugoslav doctors. > > The Kosovo crisis is one of the most complex that an American government > has ever faced. On one side are the claims (somewhat exaggerated) of > majority rule; on the other side are the undisputed facts that Kosovo is, > legally, only a region of Serbia and, historically, the very core of the > Serbian heartland. Whatever the US decides to do about Kosovo, the > Congress and the people have a right to get the full story from the > administration, before even considering the use of intimidation and force. > > Kosovo: The Real Story > Prepared by the editors of Chronicles and The Rockford Institute > > Self-inflicted atrocities and stage-managed "massacres" have paid rich > dividends to the Muslim side in Bosnia. In May 1992 the Sarajevo > "Breadline Massacre"-–with TV crews mysteriously in attendance to film the > blood and guts-– facilitated the imposition of punitive sanctions against > Serbia, some of which are still in force. Indian General Satish Nambiar, > UN commander at the time, stated to me (March 6, 1999) that "no UN officer > in the field at the time had any doubt that the Muslims did it to > themselves in order to get political support and sympathy." > > In February 1994 the show was repeated at Sarajevo’s Markale market, with > similar results: the Serbs were forced to withdraw heavy weapons around > Sarajevo, and were bombed. for the first time by NATO soon thereafter. > Subsequent UN investigation concluded that the Muslims did it to > themselves (as confirmed by Lord Owen, General Sir Michael Rose and > others), but the report was suppressed on US insistence. > > In August 1995 the "Trznica Massacre" in Sarajevo was the opener for some > three weeks of massive American-led air strikes against the Bosnian Serbs, > facilitating a Croat-Muslim offensive that ethnically cleansed western > Bosnia of its Serb inhabitants. No independent investigation of the > incident – as demanded by the Serbs – was even allowed this time. > > Right now the Administration is pressuring the Serbs to accept a NATO > force of 28,000 on their territory, including 4,000 US servicemen, as a > result of yet another stage-managed "massacre"-–in the village of Racak in > Kosovo--last January. That "massacre" resulted in Albright’s and Clinton’s > claim that no solution is acceptable in Kosovo unless it included a NATO > force. By now the demand for Serbia to open its borders to some tens of > thousands of foreign soldiers, or face NATO bombing, has become an > immutable tenet in Washington’s approach to the region. The fact that the > event which enabled the interventionists within the Administration to > formulate such policy was entirely bogus, while largely known in Europe, > is being actively suppressed by the US. > > The facts of the case are as follows: > > On January 16, 1999, from coast to coast US media went into a state of > righteous rage over the "discovery" of 45 dead Albanians at Racak, > allegedly "civilians butchered in cold blood." > > The head of the OSCE observer mission in Kosovo, American diplomat William > Walker, immediately and categorically asserted that the Serbs were to > blame. Belgrade's claim that the forty five bodies were in fact KLA > guerrillas fallen during the fight in the surrounding areas was scornfully > rejected in Washington as "Serbian propaganda." Not a hint of doubt about > the affair was printed in any of the "mainstream" media in the United > States. > > In Europe, however, doubts were immediately raised about the > Albanian-American version of events. According to Le Monde ("Were the dead > in Racak really massacred in cold blood?" by Christophe Chatelot in > Pristina, January 21, 1999), "two journalists of the Associated Press TV > (APTV), which filmed the police operation in Racak, contradict Walker. > When around 10 hours, they enter the locality behind an armored vehicle in > the front, the village is almost deserted. They progress along the streets > under the fire of the gunners of the Kosovo Liberation Army which took > position in the woods which dominate the village. These exchanges of > shootings will last all the time of the intervention, with more or less > intensity. It is in the woods that the main combat took place." > > At 3.30 p.m., the report went on, the police completed their operation and > left the village under the sporadic KLA fire "who still resist thanks to > the steep, difficult ground." The Serbs estimated that there were 15-20 > combatants dead on the KLA side. The Albanians come out from their > shelters and go down towards the village. Three vehicles of the OSCE > Verification Mission arrive. > > Le Monde points out that the Serb operation "was neither a surprise, nor a > secret": journalists and OSCE observers were invited, and encouraged by > the Serb side to witness the proceedings before the fighting started, and > allowed into the village afterwards, to find but four lightly injured > civilians. The night falls. With the police and verifiers gone, Le Monde > report continues, the events started taking an unexpected turn: > > "The next morning, press and verifiers arrive and, guided by armed KLA > fighters who regained the village, they discover the ditch with twenty > bodies, mostly men. During the day William Walker arrives and expresses > horror at 'the crime committed by the Serbian police and the Yugoslav > army.' But many questions remain unclarified. How the Serb police could > gather a group of men, and quietly direct them towards the place of the > execution, while they were constantly under the fire of the KLA? How the > ditch at the edge of Racak could escape the glance of the inhabitants, > familiar of the places, present before the night? > > And how come the observers, who were present for more than two hours in > this very small village, failed to see the ditch too? Why are there only a > few cartridge cases around the corpses, and little blood in this sunken > lane where 23 people were supposedly shot several times in the head? > Weren't the bodies of the Albanians killed in the combat by the Serb > police rather joined together in the ditch to create a scene of horror in > order to initiate the wrath of the public opinion?" > > In the same vein, Le Figaro reported ("Massacre under a cloud" by Renaud > Girard in Racak, 20 January 1999) that "in view of a whole series of > confusing facts related to this event, this matter deserves undivided > attention": > > "Taking into consideration that an AP television crew was invited as early > as 8.30 a.m. to film the operation, it seems that the police had nothing > to conceal. The OSCE was also notified about the operation, and they sent > two cars to the site. Verifiers spent the entire day on a hill, which > offered a full-length view of the village At 3:30 p.m. the police left the > village, taking along a 12.7 mm heavy machine-gun, two automatic rifles, > two snipers and some thirty Kalashnyikovs, of Chinese manufacture. > Subsequently searching for wounded civilians, international verifiers were > seen talking at ease with young Albanians in civil suits." > > Le Figaro also pointed out that the "massacre" was unveiled only the > following morning, with the KLA in full control of the village. They > claimed that the previous day police separated women from men, whom they > took to the ditch, and killed on the spot: > > "The AP TV journalists' testimonies, as well the material they have > filmed, give an entirely opposite interpretation of this event. The police > surrounded an empty village that morning, sneaking up along the walls. > Then KLA members opened fire on them from the ditches on a hill. > Subsequently, surrounded KLA members were desperately trying to break > through A confusing fact is that at the place of an alleged massacre on > Saturday morning there were just a few shells. Maybe the KLA has thus > wisely turned its military defeat into a political victory?" > > Essentially identical account was published in Die Welt (January 22), and > reported on the BBC World Service and Radio France International, among > others. > > The Serbs immediately demanded an inquest by an international, independent > team of pathologists. The OSCE sent in a team of Finnish pathologists who > were, on their own admission, granted unlimited facilities in examining > the bodies of the "victims." > > There was another team of pathologists, from Belarus, who came as guests > of the Serbs. Both teams have categorically confirmed what the Serbs had > claimed all along: that the fatal wounds to the victims were inflicted > from bullets fired from considerable distance, that additional bullets > were fired at them at point blank range, and knife wounds inflicted, only > AFTER they had been dead for some hours, and that at least some bodies had > had their clothes changed (presumably to remove KLA uniforms), which was > evidenced by the discrepancy between the wounds and the damage to clothing. > > This report the Finns have submitted to OSCE, which had commissioned it in > the first place, but OSCE has refused to make it public. The line now is > that "nobody wants the report to get in the way of the peace process!" Cf. > Die Welt, 8/3/1999 ("Whether or not it was a massacre, nobody wants to > know any more" by Karin Kneissl): > > "Finnish legal doctors were supposed to clear up whether in fact 45 ethnic > Albanian civilians were executed by Serbian units -- or whether defeated > UCK/KLA fighters who were killed in battle were arranged to deceive > Western observers. Now the dead have been buried for three weeks-- but the > report is still not in. No wonder: "This report is a hot potato", said an > OSCE diplomat in Vienna to Die Welt, "no one really wants to touch it." > ["Eine heisse Kartoffel ist dieser Bericht", sagt ein OSCE-Diplomat in > Wien gegenüber der WELT, "Keiner will in so richtig".] At first the report > of the Finnish doctors' team was held back out of consideration for the > Kosovo peace talks in Rambouillet, although it was ready from a legal > medical viewpoint." > > There can be no doubt that, had the report confirmed Walker’s claim, its > findings would have been spread all over the nation’s front pages. > > It is on this basis that the proliferation of open-ended American > commitments involving the deployment of US forces continues. Since > traditional concepts of the national interest and US security can't > justify deployment, the ultimate justification is the laudable of "easing > human suffering"-and if the reality of Racak does not fit the story, too > bad for the facts. Creating a permanent hotbed of instability in the > Balkans cannot conceivably be in America’s interest, but the > Administration proudly retorts that its policy is not guided by such > selfish, narrow-minded considerations. But what is on offer instead? It is > "humanitarian" foreign policy – epitomized in Clinton’s exhortation "that > we can make a difference" and that "America symbolizes hope and resolve." > > This is, in fact, a recipe for open-ended commitment in each and every > ethnic, religious, or racial conflict, anywhere in the world, whenever the > ruling establishment decides, with NATO transformed from a defensive > alliance into the enforcer of the will of Washington. Such policy has no > relation to U.S. national interests - and no limits other than the public > backlash against body bags, if and when a Mogadishu-like disaster strikes. > > > More at http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/hotspots.html > > ><< attach3 >> In a message dated 3/28/99 8:21:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << <http://www.zmag.org/current_bombings.htm> <http://www.hrw.org/hrw/press/1999/mar/kosovo0322.htm> <http://www.usia.gov/admin/005/wwwh9m25.html> <http://www.cdi.org/issues/Europe/kosovo.html> <http://www.janes.com/defence/features/kosovo/kosovohome.html> <http://www.alb-net.com/> <http://www.serbia-info.com/> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1998/kosovo/> <http://scout7.cs.wisc.edu/pages/00009315.html> >> Subject: [RRE]genocide in Kosovo Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 17:02:50 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Agre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Red Rock Eater News Service" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [I've enclosed two messages, one from Veran Matic thanking everyone for their support when he was in prison and another from a London TV person named Karl Waldron who is known for a list on the Pinochet case and who is now circulating translated messages from the region. We've also got a batch of new URLs thanks to the Internet Scout Report and others... <http://www.zmag.org/current_bombings.htm> <http://www.hrw.org/hrw/press/1999/mar/kosovo0322.htm> <http://www.usia.gov/admin/005/wwwh9m25.html> <http://www.cdi.org/issues/Europe/kosovo.html> <http://www.janes.com/defence/features/kosovo/kosovohome.html> <http://www.alb-net.com/> <http://www.serbia-info.com/> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1998/kosovo/> <http://scout7.cs.wisc.edu/pages/00009315.html> Please do pass along any other resources you might come across. If you find something useful, please don't assume that I've already gotten it from someone else. Thanks a lot.] =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message was forwarded through the Red Rock Eater News Service (RRE). Send any replies to the original author, listed in the From: field below. You are welcome to send the message along to others but please do not use the "redirect" command. For information on RRE, including instructions for (un)subscribing, see http://dlis.gseis.ucla.edu/people/pagre/rre.html or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with Subject: info rre =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Date: 3/28/99 11:17 AM From: Veran Matic Dear Friends, Thank you for all the support we have been receiving from you while I was in jail and ever since the Radio B92 was banned. You most probably know that we continue to work despite the ban and we broadcast via two satellites which cover almost entire Europe and Yugoslavia (via BBC, and satellite EbS which can be received, without decoder card, on: Satellite: HOT BIRD (13=B0 E) Frequency: 12.111 GHz Polarisation: Vertical Standard: MPEG2 Symbol rate: 27500 FEC: 2/3). This enables us to have our news programme simulcast by more than 20 radio stations all around Yugoslavia, along with around 15 radio stations in the Serb Republic of Bosnia-Herzegovina. Besides, Radio 1476 in Vienna rebroadcasts our programme on medium waves, which covers the whole of the Balkans, while we have had more than 10 million hits on our web page for the last week alone. A great number of radio stations worldwide rebroadcast some parts of our programme, in Serbian or English. Under present conditions, we strive to maintain, as much as possible, our professional standards of journalism. With better technical capabilities, we could have achieved more and be more efficient. Our centre for aid co-ordination is in Amsterdam, Holland and for all information please visit the web page at www.helpb92.xs4all.nl. We thank you very much for your concern about our safety. We hope we will soon be able to broadcast, along via these alternative ways, from our transmitter. Regards, Veran Matic 28.03.1999. -- Veran Matic, Editor in Chief tel: +381-11-322-9109 Radio B92, Belgrade, Yugoslavia fax: +381-11-322-4378 Radio B92 Official Web Site --- http://www.b92.net/ Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 07:35:28 +0000 From: Karl Waldron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Not Pinochet this time, but sitting in a television studio with multiple satellite feeds, wire services and constant contact with reporters in Yugoslavia, it struck me that something was missing. Then this came in by e-mail. It's a translation of various mails from ordinary people and for me, summed up pretty well what it must be like. We plan a dispatch of similar every couple of days. Drop me a note if you want to receive them Oh and recirculate at will. KW _______________________________ from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sicko will report to his unit in a few moments. They have left his call for mobilization in his post box (after his mother refused to take it) with a mesage not to kid with them as this is war and not a drill. So, Sicko simply doesn't want to be trialed at some military court for dezerting or something like that. With this I think of Seselj's (Serbian vice president, leader of extreme nationalists and paramilitary forces, mb) maniacs. Seselj has sent a message to all potential dezerters: "We won't have mercy". I have found out that last night from Holland, that 25 journalists from foreign news agencies have been arrested. I wouldn't be surprised that Seselj is behind that as well. I am more or less o.k. - relaxed, so to speak. There were some tensions in my home, we have felt one detonation, although most people in the city thought that this was a joke and not a real bomb. Sicko's wife, Snezana says that this detonation and bomb sound far louder and bigger that the ones she used to listen to while living in Croatia. Fortunately, in the next two strikes they didn't hit Kraljevo. They mostly hit Kosovo. Albanians are also attacking Yugoslav Army(YA), although i doubt that YA didn't respond. The attacks are strong but i don't think that they are as stroong as they were in Iraq. Maybe they are but i wasn't with Sadam so i can't say. Besides, they say that Serbian air defence is stronger than the one in Iraq, so it is not that simple. I fear that Seselj might start a wider war with our neighboring countries, because air space of Croatia, Albania, Hungary and specially Macedonia were used. Last night a news reporter from the national television said that there are some UCK forces in Macedonia waiting to come in Yugoslavia. So if Seselj will remain persistent to his previous statements, it is possible that we could enter a war with our neighbors today. Maybe not. We shall see. Pop from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The alert ended some half an hour ago, the shops are open, people are in the streets, as last night. Although it seems to me that there were more of them in the shelters during the morning than now. Some started to fled away from the cities. I saw them pack and drive away this morning. Unfortunately, I can't leave the city. I could go only to Crna Gora (Montenegro, mb), and I have heard that it is even worse there. I have also heard that entrance to Crna Gora is banned, because there won't be mobilization there. It seems to me that TV reports are objective (no matter how absurd this may sound), they all say one thing. Officially there are no civilian victims, the have hit barracks and radars. It is interesting that they have also hit police academy. Everybody is fine. I haven't called anyone but i assume everyone is physically well, and probably psychically too. There is no bread in stores (or was it sold?). They stopped selling petrol, it all goes for "priority vehicles". Don't worry about us, it is almost certain that everybody's fine Rusha ________________ from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] According to the official news from national TV, there are 10 killed soldiers, 38 wounded and one "missing" (deserted if any luck). Sirens are howling all the time, but people are playing basketball. Education, including university is suspended. Elementary and highschool students will have holidays until 2nd April. Fuck it, these sirens are weak, as I haven't heard them a couple of times. When I hear them they are creepy ______________ from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There was a report on tv kraljevo - they have destroyed one family house near the military airport. The missile has hit the house and left a crater 10 meters deep! The villager - owner of the house rules! He wasn't excited at all. Just spoke how old his house was, how great his kitchen was... I guess he is happy to be alive. __________________ from milos: i wont talk about the details and the effect of bombing. that changes every minute. i have read some observations of military and political experts through the net. i want to talk about that. since 23rd march in serbia exists only one party and one direction. nobody cares about politics anymore. on the tv i can see the faces of people i don't like, but their word is absolutely respected and put in action. everybody expects russia to help, quickly and efectively. on the tv the atmosphere is: the russians will jump in any moment now, and then nato will see.... everybody's frightened but i doubt that anybody even thought that milosevic should sign the agreement. so, western military analisysts have made a bad mistake. i don't know about western politicians, as i doubt that they wanted the signature at all. this decade has thought me to trust only to deeds and not to words. i think they wanted to give more power to milosevic and they succseeded. so, there is no more insecurity about who should rule this country. besides, all their frauds west has supported with deeds. i expect that first civilian victims should come any moment now. both sides need that. every blown building or old radar gives another year of power to milosevic. it seems that the russians also like this. great. everybody wins! everybody who has drawn their plans over my streets, forcing my generation to die, be humiliated. does anybody remember why all this has started? there are more dead albanians (like other nations, like it matters which nationality the body was) and this will continue. those who have defended albanians in belgrade can now sit down read books and wait for their missile to come. nobody will listen to them anymore-today the wind blows from the north. so, if a tomahawk "accidentaly" lands in the gas factory, you will probably have to find a new source of information. if the wind changes direction to the west.... never mind, there is a factory there as well. (you will hear about it through cnn) .......... Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:21:18 -0800 Dear friends, First of all, we would like to thank you for all your support and measures you took in order to inform people about things happening in Yugoslavia. You already know that Mr. Veran Matic (of B92, the indpependent radio station) has been released after 8 hours being arrested. But still, radio B92 is off air. The first night of bombing was dramatic and frightening especially since we can not understand what will be achieved by destruction. We are sending you our public announcement. Do with it what you find most useful. Love, Dubravka & Miljenko .......... The incredible events that have happened in Europe, more precisely in Serbia and Montenegro, will change our lives in many aspects. The decision "to use violence for humanitarian reasons" is a sign of impatience, incompetence and impotence of political elite. The bomb attacks in an undeclared war have destroyed human lives, army installations and all chances for Serbia to engage in a process of democratization in near future. Ten years of hard work of groups of courageous people in the opposition and the NGO sector, which tried to develop institutions of civil society, to promote modern European values, to teach about "non violent conflict resolution", has been erased in one night. The emerging democracy in Montenegro will be hard to maintain now. Milosevic regime will be stronger than ever, and the Kosovo problem will be unsolved. These are the long term results of bombing. It is difficult to estimate which of the following is less depressing: 1. the politicians knew the above mentioned consequences of their decisions or 2. they were incapable of foreseeing the impact of heir decisions. We hope that all involved will come to their senses and try to resolve problems by negotiations without further violence. Miljenko Dereta and Dubravka Velat Civil Initiatives .......... From: KONTRAPUNKT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> According to the news, 24 missiles were fired at Kraljevo. It lasted between 20:50 until 21:20. I stayed at my home and watched from the window what is going on. I can say that there were quite a few detonations. There were 2 kinds of them. Some were noisy with a strong detonations others were more silent but "inflamable". After them the sky would literally BURN Occasionally you could hear airplanes above the city..... ... air raid is still on. radio and tv report that additional strikes are possible. also, there was a note in the media asking for blood donors. Arkan (paramilitary and gang leader, mb) has reformed his voluntary units. Seselj wants the end of diplomatic relations with all nato members who participated in the war, and not just with usa, gb, d and f. He has also sent a message to all serbs worldwide that soldiers in nato uniform are their enemies, wherever they are, and that they should do all they can to eliminate them. in macedonia some cars were burned in front of the american embassy.... .......... From: The refugees who live in belgrade are also happy because of the intervention. At last Yugoslav people can experience how is it to be in shelters. Milos made me sit in our yellow hallway. We are getting stoned with the national television.... People like people, greet each other with "Bombardan" (play of words. you greet with dobardan. bombardovan means to be bombed. bombardan is a mixture of these two expressions, mb) and make jokes like: when you get out in the street, you first look to the left, then to the right, then up. It is fortunate that a normal person can't understand this situation. Not even while you're surrounded with water tanks and news... my subconscious reacts through my belly, and all my friends have the same problem. I only fear of general mobilization. I am even afraid to think about that, or i will have to take some medicaments. I hope morons won't cut us off from the internet.... ......... from: vladan vukovic i just came from the city and i can tell you that the city if terribly empty. street lights are off, the only light comes from comercials and traffic lights. the alert is still on. It seems that belgrade was hit today. 3 missiles fell somewhere in the direction of Borca. just after that i saw a convoi of vehicles which came from Pancevo to Belgrade. armed security is standing in front of the national television's building. ... after b92, tonight radio 021 in Novi Sad was banned. ... SITUATION IN CROATIA First news were heard just after main news, few minutes after main day news on a national tv - it was expected, but still, it was a shock for all of us. When i say us, i mean anarchist and other close political circles. That's what i saw first - just few friends and news that people heard from somone - we didn't really know what's going on. Then we went to a friends car and listened radio. Maja (a friend from Yugoslavia who is visiting us) was crying. After all these years we have a war in a neighbourhood again. Then i deceided to do this text - kind of summary of what's going on in Croatia since NATO strikes started. As i said, first attack was a shock for almost everyone, although, reactions were different. We were sad and concerned about our friends in Yugoslavia, and nationalists were happy. Yes, happy, because after four years of war here they hardly waited to see people in Yugoslavia suffer. It's so strange to see someone being happy cause of destruction. Maybe i would be right if i say that majority of people are satisfied with NATO attacks, if not happy. That's what you can hear in this last two days on the streets and when people get a chance to say how they feel about it in the media. At the other hand, i would expect from most of the media to be very subjective, to join verbal attacks on Yugoslavia, especially from national tv (HTV), but that's not the case this time. HTV is more or less objective, as much as one tv station can be. They cover everything that happens in Yugoslavia, Macedonia, Albania and other countries connected with the situation. Also, they broadcast news from almost all relevant stations, like CNN, Sky News, Serbian national tv, and others, so you get more or less all versions of what's going on there. And, as i said before, they try not to criticise, they just bring news. At the other hand, there are some so called "independant" media, like Radio 101, that we mentioned in previous issues of Zaginflatch, who is also bringing lots of news, but they (beside news) bring all the nationalistic comments, stupid jokes connected with the attacks and shit like that. Also, they interviewed people on the streets of Zagreb and it was terrible to listen all that hatred. Official stand of Croatian politicans is that attacks are not the best solution, but that they are only solution right now. Mainly, that means that they want to keep more or less good relations with Yugoslav government, but also support NATO, cause their big desire is to become part of the NATO. Also, on the news we heard that Clinton offered Tudjman (Croatian president) strategic partnership for Croatia, whatever that means. It sounds like Clinton wants to use Croatia for placing more NATO troops in the area. I'm not sure how offical this information is, but it was broadcasted on national tv. All at all, every political party in Croatia, including so called "very democratic oposition" is supporting attacks. NGO's are also following situation in the area - Anti-War Campaing Croatia reacted, although, those kinds of reactions are more or less symbolic and doesn't help a lot, but they can't do any damage either, so it's just one small step further. markoS. SHORT NEWS FROM MACEDONIA It's hard to say what's really going on in Macedonia, as we don't have direct news from our Macedonian friends, but what we can see through different news from here, there are demonstrations happening. From what we saw on a tv, demonstrators have Macedonian, Serbian and old Yugoslav (socialist ones) flags, so it's hard to say who is demnstrating and for what reasons. Beside demonstrating in front of the embassys, people burned cars, throwed fire bombs, and some detonations were heard around the town of Skopje (capitol of Macedonia), but no one really knows what that was. 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