-Caveat Lector- You state the inability to separate Jews from religious Judaism will kill us off. You say that morality comes from within. Then if morality comes from within, one cannot depend on what the morality of any individual is. This is the basis of anti-Semitism, where the morality of Jews is categorized as evil. The theory is the predominant idea. What Thew's view of morality are is just a blip. What antisemites say is the morality of 99.9% of the Jews is will hold in the face of what you say your personal morality is. In opposition I say that the Jews hold to the morality of Judaism and that you are outside of the definition of the morality of the community. I see no written idea of what you think is the morality of the secular Jewish community. Morality is the basis of community. When we look to our fellow man, we need to know what they believe in for our response. Granted that not everyone who professes to a morality follows it.
New Age morality is based on the idea of what is good for the community rather than on respect for the individual. Jews were killed off during the Holocaust because of what the Nazis believed was the good of the larger community. The entire abortion, euthanasia, ecology, individual rights arguments are based on whose interests are more important, the individual or the community. You need to show how you think the morality of the community you espouse will help the individual who disagrees with what you believe. Can you show how your idea of community morality will allow fundamentalist Judaism and Christianity to continue and still allow for community morality? I can't see how it will be done under New Age thinking where that which causes separation is considered evil. ---Original Message----- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of thew Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Nuns as sexual victims get little notice -Caveat Lector- That inability to separate Jews, the ethnicity, from Judaism, the religion, is what will kill us off in the long run. It is the inability , of both Jews and non-Jews to distinguish between the 2 that has been the greatest cause of harm, through misunderstanding, to Jews world-wide. Morality is only morality when it comes from within, not because it is mandated by some external threat, whether that threat is the punishment by "god" or man. I have a very strong sense of morality, a sense of outrage at the mistreatment of humans at the hands of other humans. A sense of outrage informed by the mores of Jewish culture. I stand for freedom of thought and action, guided by compassion. The big questions (all of which really boil down to one question - what does it mean to be a human?) need to be answered, and sticking to 10000 year old metaphors holds back the entire species from moving on and seeking newer, better, and more complete answers. It is time to shed the fairy tales of childhood, and move on. Quite frankly your initial sentence is extremely Un-Jewish. The Jewish response to tragedy and oppression has always been humor. (dear god - for just a little while can't you choose some one else) Can you define this "new age" phrase for me? I can't quite get a handle on what you mean, and thus cannot respond to it. If by new age you mean unfettered by ancient metaphors that no longer jibe with our understanding of how the universe works - I am all for it. If you just mean substituting the majority culture's nonsense with other nonsense, leave me out of it. on 01/05/03 12:16 PM, Zuukie at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > I don't find laughter where the future of Jews and Judaism are > concerned. I know you are anti-religion; that is obvious. Where do you > stand with regard to morality? Since you are presenting yourself as a > defender of Jews and since Judaism and Jews cannot be separated, what do > you stand for, not just what you stand against? I ask the same of > Christians who read this: What do you stand for and not just what you > stand against? New Age thinking has infiltrated Jewish and Christian > thinking on organizational and individual levels. Christians attack New > Age thinking in Judaism. Jews attack New Age thinking in Christianity. > Very few know what New Age thinking is. 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