-Caveat Lector- Below is a somewhat lengthy discussion between people on the Net about how the world is banking out and about the MCF URL. One interesting note, as I went over this text to configure it for a posting...I noticed that at least three (3) "not"'s were left out of the text by I assume an intentional virus, and this, of course, altered the point of the statements completely, making them worthless...the sentences then carried completely the wrong points. This may be a very clever way of discrediting otherwise good emails and writings, imagine that the feds/cults have a way to alter a targeted person's emails so as to ruin the point of their writings by removing key words like "not." I hope I changed all of them here and that this email is not harmed with this virus affliction. Perhaps you should check your own for these problems or be aware of this new email assault scene.
E. Murray _________________________________________________ In a message dated 8/1/2004 3:03:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, XXXXXX writes: In a message dated 7/31/2004 9:31:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JJJJJJ writes: I would like to warn you about the problems to dealing with the URL and the people administering it...as I first became involved with this URL in 1997 when Ed Light was the founder of it. He was a wonderful old time counter culture man, living in Eureka, CA, who kept all confidences from the victims who trusted him with their stories. This is not the case now and that is one warning I would like to share with you. Did Ed betray your confidence? May I ask how? ++++ I thought I was clear about this, Ed was someone who never made a move to harm me that I am aware of. He was a wonderful guy who attempted to kept everyone's confidences until a new cult seemed to plummet him, probably for being honest and trustworthy. Problems began in late 1999 when Ed let the URL go to new people. I was harmed badly by the people who took over this URL with several new assaults once they found me through emails and meeting with me personally. How were you harmed by them and by whom? +++++See under "victim resources" then "journals" in the http://www.mfhr.org/ the account of MCF Internet problems...there is a blow by blow account of the people affiliated with MCF who harmed someone...this will tell you who. I believe now that the MCF is federally sponsored by intel agencies. Possible. ++++ They are pagan-satanic cultists. All these groups, literally hundreds of thousands of them in the U.S. are supported in some manner by the U.S. Intelligence agencies and by local police forces who are in turn fronted by municipal govts (using property taxes). It is a pagan/satanic (Protocols of Zion, Golden Dawn, spiritual sys)- Marxist (political sys)- Freudian (social sys) take over of the so-called free world. I believe it includes Brit (good ole boy Lechter people), Jews (progressives mainly, often Russians) and Humanoids (eastern block imports who are serious hybrids). It does not include Germanics (Greeks and Italians are part Germanic as well as real Germans) or Christians. Their main motives in this are to either force people into pagan-satanic cults or into FBI cults. How exactly? ++++ Through mind control assaults aided by poisonings of people and spook assaults-druggings in residences and work places. This is partly their "abduction process" and partly plain and simply the way they feed their creatures, using human blood, sweat and tears. If this does not interest you, you can be pounded badly by these people. The annual budget for the treatment of bedsores is 55 billion. What the victims do or don't do is not the reason for the torture. The reasons that people are getting pounded are silence and inertia about the following: mutilation of humans to make aliens, hand signals, global positioning and tracking of humans, subliminal aerials and personalized subliminals, directed energy torture and surveillance from satellites, abductions, through-the-wall surveillance, use of criminal contractors as operatives, illegal surveillance, biochips, nonconsensual genetic experimentation, vigilante stalking funded by government programs, and covert directed energy in general. Other reasons that people are getting pounded is that they have to wait for hundreds of thousands of government employees to do their jobs--immediately. +++++ All of these reasons I enjoyed reading a great deal. Why would the govt go to these extremes...what is their bottom line motive? The answer is their support of a whole hidden culture...which includes hybrids humans and beasts. These victims are being used to feed these beasts and some very oddly formed humanoid-types. Thus these cults need victims to USE to survive...and they pick on Christians and Arabs...and other real people who are not so hybrid-ish as Jews are and their counterparts -- Brit & Polish curmudgeons and Reptoids. Also, a lot of the people involved in this URL are British nationals who are desperate for U.S. funds and money, and whom seem to constitute a new U.S. army (the British invasion)...convenient how they are so pagan-satanic-Jew affiliated. Here you lost me. I can't afford stereotyping. I actually thought the British might lend a maternal push, as they're not shy, and their Green Party has already called for a ban on Orwellian weapons. +++++I believe the Brits are behind the perpetuation of Golden Dawn cults who have Brit curmudgeons behind them and the Good Ole Boy network and the Golden Dawn are one of the worst groups who sacrifice victims of MC assaults -- snuff style. The Brits have joined hands with Jews in the perpetuation of these satanic cult groups and pagans. it is all out of the Brit fraternity sys, isn't it? Perhaps I need a better definition of "Good Ole Boy"...and "Pretty Boys"... Many of those running the MCF are humanoids -- front drawer Frankenstenian make-overs. Besides Ed and Vicky, who runs the Forum? Are you saying that Ed and Vicky are "humanoids"? +++ Ed's been out of this since 1999...as far as I know. See the victim journal account for who are some of the worst in the group. An awful lot of those putting out conspiracy URLS may be bizarre humanoids. Again, I can't stereotype. It's not likely their fault if they were experimented on. ++++ It isn't a stereotype...it is a fact of DNA, of bloodlines. I don't believe these are aliens exactly as you do, but instead a sort of Frankensteinian cult experimentation using real human elements -- ova and sperm, as well as cloning method which integrates into the ova's albumen DNA material from human or animal muscle or blood or hair. Thus, part human, part animal people are created. It appears to be new age- Jewish method. Progressive Jews use a special hybrid method to make their own race. The third, outside DNA element is probably no more significant to the final human product than 15 - 20%...probably even less, but the humanoid tends to take on some of the physical looks in the face and body, in a meanful and partly recognizable way, of the particular animal species. The FBI pays these guys well to search and destroy people speaking out. I believe some do. How can I be sure you're not one that they pay? ++++ My answers are more honest than others, more to the point, my emails are NOT tainted with special effects, I will never ask for your address or location or attempt to make any effort at finding that. The MCF people ALWAYS go after people, setting them up with local contacts, people, cults, and more problems, sometimes galore. They work for the man...only. I believe some don't. Aren't you telling me that you're trustworthy? Therefore, isn't it possible that someone else could be? +++Not necessarily, your own experiences will answer this question -- it isn't that hard to figure out who is in the FBI bank and who is NOT...by simply the effects to emails and the stalking problems you encounter after contacting people on the net, obviously. There is usually a cause and effect to these assaults, things are not truly accidents. Victims are their prey and they will go to great lengths and time to find you, often cause great new problems. Thus be forewarned. is is true about many. Let's be real here. The whole problem is this mind control brainwash thing that's been going on since before we were born. Subliminal messages 24/7 all over the globe for generations to turn everyone traitorous. We're all we've got, so we have to bring out the good in ourselves, ourselves. ++++++No...this is not really true. I did not hear the conversations until I was in my mid-40s. The reason you heard them earlier was probably because you were implanted, cochlear types stuff, far earlier as a kid, the cults do this..parents probably order this up or hospitals do this to infants perhaps. I do agree this stuff begins to own people, friighten people, corner them, keep them from acting and limit them totally to few accomplishments. But, even tho' the telepathy lines are active that doesn't mean people hear them -- not unless they are forced to tune in. Consider listing your story also on VVVVVVV -- a URL not affiliated with the feds or the British-Jewish invasion. Sorry, I can't dive into the anti-humanoid movement. The feds are on all of us, whether they're paying cash or not. How can you think you're the only one they're not working on? Even though I sometimes irritate myself with my loyalty to them, I believe the feds are fixing the mess. ++++++Thus you are involved with FBI...and humanoids and I suppose pagan-satanic cults. I began to consider the fact that you were a humanoid, perhaps reptoid when I saw your first name. "L" ladies often are. It is an officially recognized non-profit and it is not affiliated with any govt or cult agencies. Your word. I don't know you, and you can't vouch for others. Yes I can...I am in this URL. Its papers are available through govt agencies. You can't claim this without having it. It won't harm you, it has info which might help you to resurface and it contains interesting new theoretical articles you might enjoy contributing to, see its "new articles" area and its victim resources area. See above. I am part Irish and part German. I appreciate that, but the truth of it is that I've been hurt pretty badly by people of all backgrounds, including my own. Our backgrounds have nothing to do with this. Is there any animal species that conducts electronic holocaust on its own? No. Yet humans, who never stop conducting holocaust, call themselves "civilized" in contrast to the animal kingdom. +++++ This I abide by. But, I do believe that certain hybrid-humans are far worse in terms of their involvement in harming others. I believe that there is a very specific sacrifice system using Christians and Germans and possibly Scandanavians as take-out. There are wonderfully kind, honest, loving moral people -- who become meat for ruthless DNA hybrids. So...no...I feel there is great diversity in this mess and propensities to begin assaults on innocents. I am not part of the pagan-satanic-Jew structure. Oh what? I'm not accustomed to hearing anyone link Jews with satanism. I thought it was Loyola and the Jesuits that got blamed. Actually, come to think of it I know who started it. It was that snake in the Garden of Eden who was really a fallen angel. +++++The snake and Garden of Eden are Jewish lines and constructs. The Eve poisons are Jewish constructs. The whole corrupted First Testament is a Jewish mess of immorality and dishonesty and jealousies which do not permeate Savior bloodlined peoples. Jewish races (4 sects) are cloned hybrids races which is why they work well with other humanoids. You might benefit from what I and others have to suggest. Well, I really did appreciate you're email tonight. The perps were burning me so I wouldn't be able to sleep as they have been doing nightly. It's about 4 am, and I hurt, and I feel stupid for believing in the feds, because they should have rescued me a long time ago, but I'm a patriot, even though I know the government is accountable for my torture and disfigurement. Will be interested in response to questions in this email, though. Linda If you're inclined, just pray that we all get rescued by honorable people for a change, so that we can stop being painfully disfigured and take care of those less fortunate than ourselves. +++++What "disfigurment" have you encountered...if you feel like discussing this? I had a boyfriend once who wound up sexually harmed badly by a new age Jewish group on the east coast, this was back in 1983...but his life was forever altered & so was mine... Judith ABR __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. 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