-Caveat Lector- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Party of Citizens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:56 PM Subject: [CRUEL-AND-UNUSUAL-PUNISHMENT] HOW THE CANADIAN CONSTITUTION WAS OVERTHROWN : Gosselin
> Good point. "Welfare State" is of course an expression fraught with > connotations and the Canada Health Act itself creates a HEALTH-AND-WELFARE > STATE. BTW, does anyone remember when Health and Welfare were merged in one > ministry at the federal level? > > CHA's Preamble uses the word "WELL-BEING" as well as health. You don't have > health and well-being worth zip unless people get essentials for health like > SHELTER and FOOD. > > ******************************************* > Presently what Martin-Campbell-Campbell are saying is that they can remove a > reliable and healthy supply of FOOD and SHELTER to any CITIZEN who opposes > their way of doing things, no matter how trivial the non-compliance. > ****************************************** > > The Supreme Court flunkies made sure they supported this in the Gosselin > Case in 2002 (BTW, POC platform supports the election and recall of judges > ...with some restrictions). Now if you remove food and shelter to poor folk > what happens? THEY DIE. So it is capital punishment of the poor. > > The Supreme Court of Canada OVERTHREW THE CONSTITUTION in Gosselin and > neither majority nor minority judges (like Arbour, now heading UNHCHR) > uttered a peep of protest. They utterly annihilated the Charter rights of > Canadians. How so? > > (1) By saying the government and society at large have no commitment, duty > or obligation to provide services essential for health and life to Gosselin > (re Charter S.36) they said that these social-political entities HAVE THE > RIGHT TO TORTURE AND KILL HER. The right to torture, through > health-destruction, and murder, poor Canadians was supported by the Supreme > Court of Canada in Gosselin. That violates the Charter prohibition of cruel > and unusual punishment. > > (2) Since torture and capital punishment (now being threatened daily against > CITIZENS) can be instituted without any due process of law, that negates the > entire Charter section on LEGAL RIGHTS, including the right to be considered > innocent until proven guilty, the right to be properly represented and so > on. > > Section 7 "fundamental justice"? Fitting the punishment to the crime? the > Forget it! There is NO CRIME when poor folk are tortured and murdered by > Martin-Campbell-Campbell except crime perpetrated by the latter. > > IT IS INCONCEIVABLE THAT COMPETENT JURISTS WOULD OVERTHROW THE CONSTITUTION > OF CANADA UNKOWINGLY. > > But not one majority or minority judge in Gosselin uttered the tiniest > acknowledgement of what had happened. Gosselin was told that she had less > value than a dog in Martin-Campbell-Campbell Canada, because no government > official would dare to throw dogs out on the street or deny them food. But > to all Canadians they said: YOU NO LONGER HAVE ANY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS > WORTH SPIT. > > The Patriot Act, post-911 etc. certainly brought this on at great speed. But > Martin as Finance Minister was working on the how to bring the useless > eaters of Canada into line and kill them if necessary (ie for > non-compliance) long before. Nonsense? Test it out. Just one human rights > audit of the missing million and the 'big picture' will be revealed without > any doubt. But the Auditor General of Canada has already said she does not > care about the fate of 1,000,000 unaccounted-for Canadians. For 1,000,000 > unaccounted for cents, yes. But not 1,000,000 CITIZENS. > > Z > http://www.geocities.com/partyofcitizens > http://www.geocities.com/universalhumanrightscanada/torturescale > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:57 PM > Subject: Re: [bcrants] Capital Punishment of the Poor > > > > > > Of course there is nothing that says the Welfare State is an > > inheirently bad thing. Places that have had extensive welfare > > states were just as productive as those that didn't. So it isn't > > like our current economic system is like the laws of gravity and > > gravity and orbital mechanics, although conservatives will try > > to act as if it is that way. Nothing could be further from the > > truth. Alternative economies might indeed be possible. Overall > > they never have been tried. One might try arguing commuinism was > > one, but overall it never was practical from the first place. > > > > Since wealth has never been fairly distributed that a little > > redistribution of the wealth might not be a good thing. Of course > > how to do this without it becoming a sort of source of wealth to > > rip off by those politicos that are questionable. > > > > Alas I think we are stuck with Capitalism as it is for awhile. > > Of course things might swing back and we could get Capitalism with > > an extensive welfare state which might indeed be workable. > > > > Have Fun, > > Sends Steve > > > > > > > Party of Citizens wrote: > > > > > > >>Party of Citizens wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>Should government, acting on behalf of society-at-large be permitted > > > to > > > >>>mete out capital punishment to the "undeserving poor"? > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>Depends. > > > >>Are the guilty of a capital crime? > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >No crime at all. Yet the position of the governments in this country > is > > > that > > > >the innocent poor can be put out onto the street if they are > > > "judged" to be > > > >undeserving poor and there they WILL suffer ill health and die given > > > enough > > > >time and governments have no commitment/duty/obligation to grant them > a > > > >reprieve from the death sentence these governments have imposed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, what you're saying is that they'll actually have to get jobs and > > > work to make ends meet instead of depending forever on the largess of > > > government.. Without addressing Canadian law, specificly, I'd say > > > offhand that's called responsible government. > > > > > > Now, as to the law in Canada... which I happen to have more than a > > > passing interest in, as you may recall... 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