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Gavin Phillips wrote:
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> -Caveat Lector-
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> Very good. I have been very busy lately and haven't had much time to read the
> hundreds of posts building in my mailbox. Interesting that nurev turns out to
> be a statist.
I'm done with this subject for now in light of a REALLY dangerous
situation in
Europe. But I will reply briefly. I am far less concerned with what
your
Libertarian fears are about the state and guns, than you are.
> The government will take care of us, right Nurev? Let the
> government murderers and cowards of the FBI and ATF have the guns. They did
> such a great job at Ruby Ridge, Waco, the World Trade Bombing, and the OKC
> bombing plus the tens of thousands of other illegal activities these 90's
> gestapo have perpetrated in the last few years (civil asset forfeiture). Yes
> that's right nurev, we will feel so much safer when they are the only ones to
> have guns. We will then only have government orchestrated mass murder and
> subjugation.
I am NOT required to take your paranoid foolishness seriously.
> But then that is alright with you, isn't it? You have the gall
> to advocate taking guns away from American citizens and only giving
> government agancies the right to have guns. A government completely corrupted
> from the top down. Your hero, rapist, murderer and one of the most thorough
> going bastards to ever desecrate the White House, Bill Clinton is to be
> trustes with this power. You believe it is better to have Bill in charge of
> government agencies who are armed against an unarmed populace?
I think that my position on Government and Clinton is quite clear by
now. But I don't trust you armed even more than I don't trust the
Government armed. That's because
you are a " true believer " with a gun and seemingly nuts to boot. I,
and apparently
very many of your fellow citizens don't trust you with weapons. How
about that?
>
> You so quickly forget history's many lessons of dictators disarming the
> citizenry only to be followed by genocide. What about the Warsaw uprising in
> which a handful of Jews took on and held their own for quite some time
> against the Nazis' s after they had managed to obtain some firearms. Preach
> your statism in Beijing where I'm certain they will also secretly hold you in
> contempt. Your views on inalienable human rights are particularly revealing;
Yes these things happened. But they are only a POSSIBILITY at this
point in
this country. Why should I take your word for it that you can see the
future?
What IS A FACT is that there are far too many gun related deaths NOW.
> Not at all. Rights are a conceptual legal concept. If everybody
> > > plays along, you have rights. If most, or even many people don't
> > > play along, you have bupkes. There is nothing inalienable about
> > > legalisms in the real world.
> > >
> > > >
> >Jim Norman says;
> > The above is a most revealing statement. It shows that Nurev has the
> > same understanding of rights as did Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and all the
> > other mass murders of the past (and of the future). They have no concept
> > of the agreement among mature people to recognize the humanity of others
> > and not treat them as resources to be exploited and killed if they get
> > in the way.
>
> Not only Hitler and Mao, Jim. Also George Bush and Bill and Hilary Clinton
> along with many Congressman and Senators. Conceptual only to a wanton
> socialist like yourself, Nurev.
I'm not a Socialist. But, I don't mind them either. I much prefer
socialists
to Libertarians.
> Rights only subscribed by the gun toting ATF
> murderer at your doorstep and fully endorsed by Nurev. How comforting. You
> talk about our basic human rights being a conceptual legal concept, what
> utter nonsense. Trying to make our basic human rights an issue in which we
> need lawyers to decide what we do and do not need. I'm certain most people
> can agree on what our basic rights are without the need for lawyers ratifying
> it. You not only advocate only a government of armed thugs, you reduce our
> rights to the whim of lawyers decisions.
I never said anything about lawyers. You only have rights as long as
everyone
you live with agrees to recognize those rights. There is no such thing
as
natural rights except in your fevered imagination. You are no
different from
the the true believers who say that animals have rights. Neither is
true in
the real world.
Don't get me wrong, There is nothing wrong with establishing "
rights." It's
just that you like to forget that your rights depend on all of us.
Things are
changing rapidly with relation to guns. I like how they are changing.
You
don't. If you are smart, you will make the best of it.
Joshua2
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