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> And you need to study history and Jewish beliefs
So do you. This stuff is drivel.
Joshua2
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> Jesus was adopted by Joseph. Joseph was a relitive of
> King David.
> Jews have the (L)ord and (l)ords.
> The potential that Joseph would have to take the thrown
> if the ones in front of him died.
> So, Joseph was a (l)ord.
> and Jesus was the son of the (l)ord.
> the Uncrowned King.
>
> Should I go on? Need I go on except to say that
> Jesus did not believe in Human Sacrifice?
> The Pied Piper
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> Bill Kingsbury wrote:
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> >
> > http://www.best.com/~dolphin/yeshua.html
> >
> > IT'S TIME FOR ISRAELIS TO LEARN JESUS WAS JEWISH
> >
> > [Excerpts from HA'ARETZ newspaper, Thursday, 23 December 1999]
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Israeli pupils hear about Jesus only once during 12 years of
> > schooling, so they know nothing about Christianity, and don't have
> > a key to understanding the history and culture of the western
> > world. The education system prefers ignorance to being suspected of
> > missionary activity.
> >
> > Ninth-graders at a high school in Bat Yam were asked last Friday, a
> > week before Christmas, what they knew about Jesus. According to the
> > high school history teacher who dared ask the question, most knew
> > nothing - not even the most basic details: when he was born, where
> > he lived and preached, when he died and how.
> >
> > They did not know that he was a believing Jew, who was born,
> > according to historians in the year 4 BCE (and not in the year 0),
> > in Bethlehem, and that his mother's name was Miriam, that is, the
> > Virgin Mary.
> >
> > Some thought that Mary Magdalene, the prostitute, was the mother of
> > Jesus. They did not know of the decision by the Sanhedrin to turn
> > him in on the grounds that he pretended to be "the king of the
> > Jews," or of his trial before the Roman governor, Pilate. As for
> > the Sermon on the Mount, the values he preached, the dispute
> > between him and the Pharisees and the Sadducees over the
> > interpretation of the law and the concept of the Messiah, and the
> > connection between Jesus and the Essene sect - the students knew
> > nothing.
> >
> > History lecturers believe that this ignorance is not a negligible
> > matter. Israeli students who do not know anything at all about the
> > figure of Jesus are unable to understand the faith of the
> > approximately two billion Christians in the world and they have no
> > key to the understanding of the history, music, painting, sculpture
> > and architecture of the western world. Moreover, they lack basic
> > knowledge of the history of Judaism and society in the land of
> > Israel 2000 years ago.
> >
> > This ignorance comes as no surprise. According to the official
> > curriculum, students in the government education system hear about
> > Jesus at best only once during 12 years of schooling - and only in
> > passing, at the beginning of their sixth grade history course, in a
> > brief chapter on "Jesus and the First Christians" in the history
> > text "During the Days of Greece and Rome."
> >
> > According to Michael Yaron, the supervisor of history instruction
> > at the Education Ministry, Jesus is not studied again in high
> > school, because in high school the curriculum concentrates mainly
> > on the 19th and 20th centuries, and not everyone is even required
> > to study the chapter in the sixth grade, as elementary schools have
> > the autonomy to pick and choose in the curriculum.
> >
> > In the government-religious system, students learn even less: in
> > the seventh grade textbook "From generation to generation" there is
> > a brief and laconic treatment of Jesus in the chapter "Sects in
> > Judaism." Sarah Weider, the supervisor of history instruction in
> > the government-religious educational system, notes that religious
> > teachers teach about Jesus with great reservations - for example,
> > they do not mention his name explicitly. The reason: "Because it is
> > impossible to ignore what Christianity did to the Jews, and
> > attribute to the man what was done in his footsteps, even if he was
> > not to blame."
> >
> > According to history teachers, even on class outings from
> > government schools to Jerusalem and the Galilee, Christian holy
> > sites are totally ignored. Weider says about religious school
> > trips, "They don't go into Catholic churches, because there is a
> > halacha that prohibits this, but they do look at them from the
> > outside."
> >
> > Now and then, some teachers, like the history teacher in Bat Yam,
> > find it important to deviate from the regular program of studies
> > and teach their students something about the traditions and beliefs
> > of others. But they, according to their own testimony, are an
> > infinitesimal minority.
> >
> > History lecturers at the universities in Israel say that high
> > school graduates arrive at university "totally ignorant" about
> > everything concerning Jesus and Christianity. "They know nothing at
> > all," says Dr. Aviad Kleinberg of Tel Aviv University, the author
> > of the book "Christianity from its Beginnings to the Reformation,"
> > a ministry of defense publication for the University of the
> > Airwaves.
> >
> > "I encounter a great deal of rejection, hostility and ignorance
> > with respect to Jesus and Christianity in general. They live two
> > meters away from places that many Christians in the world only
> > dream of visiting, and they know nothing about them."
> >
> > According to Kleinberg, this is the result of "neglect and
> > conservatism in the educational system, which must be changed. The
> > Israeli educational system must be less concentrated within itself
> > and more open to the study of the other. It would not hurt children
> > if they read a chapter from the New Testament and the Koran. This
> > is not only important morally, but also for their Jewish identity:
> > they should know what is similar and what is different. It is
> > important for Israeli students to know something about Jesus, and
> > that they should read at least something about the Sermon on the
> > Mount."
> >
> > In his classic text, "The Jewish Sources of Christianity,"
> > Professor David Flusser wrote a great deal about the importance of
> > the Sermon on the Mount to the understanding of the Jewish
> > traditions of Jesus's time.
> >
> > "In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus interprets the words of the
> > Torah with moral strictness," he wrote. For example, Jesus preached
> > (in Hebrew and Aramaic): "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for
> > theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are those who mourn: for
> > they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek: for they shall
> > inherit the earth- Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be
> > called the children of God" (Matthew 5:3-5,9).
> >
> > In this, according to Flusser, Jesus represented a strain of
> > thought in Jewish thinking at a time when it was necessary to pay
> > more attention to morality and love of one's fellow men, and he
> > placed less value on external rituals.
> >
> > Jesus also expressed a view contrary to the Judaism and established
> > Christianity of our day, that views success and wealth as evidence
> > that an individual has observed the commandments, and failure or
> > poverty as punishment for sins.
> >
> > According to Jesus, it is precisely the rich who need to examine
> > themselves: "For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's
> > eye, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven" (Luke
> > 18:25). That is, in order to be saved, a person must give up his
> > assets in this world, and thus, blessed are the poor.
> >
> > Israeli students who study this could perhaps perceive the beliefs
> > that prevail today and lie at the basis of western capitalism in a
> > more critical light.
> >
> > Professor Michael Harsegor, who has discussed Jesus in recent weeks
> > on his program "History Hour" on army radio, says: "Jesus was the
> > most famous Jew in the world, and students must know why he was
> > famous and why he was a Jew."
> >
> > Harsegor says that students should know that "the greatest
> > invention of Paul, the man who spread Christianity, was to give up
> > two things in the Jewish tradition that frightened the gentiles of
> > the time: the dietary restrictions of kashrut, and circumcision.
> >
> > Yet, adds Harsegor, "Jesus said several times that nothing in the
> > Law (Torah) must be changed," and "Jesus was a double figure. On
> > the one hand he was soft and very passive ) 'Whosoever shall smite
> > thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also" (Matthew 5:39)
> > - and on the other, a dictator: believers were exhorted to love him
> > more than members of their own family."
> >
> > According to Harsegor, students should also know that all of his
> > "evangelists and disciples came from the Galilee, and were
> > considered in snobbish Jerusalem to be primitive, and therefore,
> > when Jesus came to Jerusalem, they scorned him. Only Judah
> > Iscariot, who betrayed Jesus, came from Judea, from the more
> > intellectual sect."
> >
> > He says that students in Israel should also learn the parable of
> > the good Samaritan: a Cohen and a Levite pass by a man who lay
> > dying by the side of the road after thieves attacked him, and they
> > do not come to his aid.
> >
> > "But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and
> > when he saw him he had compassion on him, and went to him, and
> > bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his
> > own breast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him"
> > (Luke 10:33-34).
> >
> > The lesson is clear, says Harsegor: "It is wrong to cling to the
> > Torah, like Cohen and the Levite, and do nothing more. You have to
> > be humane, like the Samaritan, who is not a religious Jew."
> > Harsegor regrets that "Israeli students see the cathedrals of
> > Europe and don't know anything. They are ignorant because the
> > schools are still afraid that any study of Jesus is connected to
> > missionary activity."
> >
> > Professor Guy G. Stroumza, chairman of the Center for Study of
> > Christianity at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, says that
> > "Jesus was a good Jew. There were a few things that the rabbinical
> > establishment at the time didn't like, but he wasn't an especially
> > great revolutionary either.
> >
> > "However, he was a uniquely interesting and important figure in
> > western culture, a key figure in the land of Israel in the 1st
> > century, at a time of political ferment. Students in Israel have a
> > huge gap in their education. Altogether, the interest in religions
> > is a new thing in the Israeli academy, perhaps because Zionism
> > arose as an anti-religious movement. There is no doubt that it is
> > necessary to study the New Testament.
> >
> > Dr. Ninmrod Aloni, who teaches an advanced seminar on humanist
> > education at Seminar Hakibbutzim, says that he tries to teach Jesus
> > as an example of the way, "the figure of a wonderful individual,
> > the main point of whose teaching was love and charity and pity and
> > solidarity and all the beautiful things, was exploited by the
> > religious establishment - the Christian church, the Crusades and
> > the Inquisition, which up until the 17th century burned people in
> > his name.
> >
> > "I talk about the Jesus I know mainly from three sources - the New
> > Testament, A.A. Kabak's 'In the Strait Path' and 'Gospel According
> > to Jesus Christ' by Jose Saramago - in order to explain to people
> > how religion can be opium for the masses, how it can make people
> > forget its origins and encourage its exact opposite."
> >
> > Dr. Eyal Naveh, whose book on the history of the 20th century
> > aroused debate recently, believes there "apparently was a decision
> > in the educational system not to go deeply into the study of
> > Christianity, but this does not mean that students know anything
> > about Judaism, even though there is a decision to go deeply into
> > the study of Judaism.
> >
> > "For students to remember anything of what they have learned
> > depends on the way they are taught. If they teach them something
> > that is relevant to the contents of their own world, if the
> > learning is an experience, they will remember.
> >
> > "My children learned about Jesus at the Democratic School in Kfar
> > Sava in the context of art, and now they know a fair amount about
> > Christianity and Jesus as a prophet or false prophet. If it is
> > decided that this is relevant to the children's world, and they
> > teach them in an interesting way, there is no reason why they
> > should not remember."
> >
> > "Ignoring Jesus is part of the tendency to concentrate only on
> > ourselves, as if we had sprung up outside a universal context. In
> > the case of Jesus, this is especially absurd, because Jesus is
> > linked to our development. I hope that things will change, and that
> > the system will realize that history is not just a collection of
> > facts, but is about substantial issues that shape our world. The
> > connection between Judaism and Christianity is definitely one of
> > the issues that shapes our world."
> >
> > This year, says Weider, "out of sensitivity to the year 2000, we
> > held a continuing education program this summer for teachers, and
> > the relation between Judaism and Christianity was one of the
> > subjects. We realized that this year educators have to be sensitive
> > to this issue."
> >
> > Dr. Nili Keren of Seminar Hakibbutzim says that students from the
> > college are going on field trips this year to the Judean desert,
> > around the Dead Sea, in the footsteps of John the Baptist. But
> > Michael Yaron, the education ministry's chief supervisor for the
> > teaching of history says that nothing will change: there is no
> > possibility for expanding and going more deeply into the study of
> > Jesus in Israeli schools, because in any case there are not enough
> > study hours," and, he adds, "considering the number of hours we do
> > have to teach our students, I would not eliminate other subjects in
> > order to add this subject.
> >
> > posted December 28, 1999.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Back to Lambert Dolphin's Library:
> > http://www.best.com/~dolphin/asstbib.shtml
> >
> > .
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