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Subject: [BCPolitics] Bill C-2: ALTERNATIVE VOTING MEANS
Thank you for the reply, Mr. Kingsley. I have cc'd some of the parties I
have been corresponding with in attempting to bring the necessary
information to public attention. Some time ago I asked Ted White, MP (re
his private member's Bill C-229) and Dr. Tomorrow/Frank Ogden (re his
notion of the "electronic guillotine") if they would be willing to appear
together on a talk tv show to tell us what they think the future of EDD is
in BC and Canada. Ted would approach the subject from the political side
and Frank from the high technology side. Both agreed to participate but I
couldn't find a willing studio (some of which are cc'd above). Perhaps if
we bring in the relevant provincial and federal bureaucracies we can
"round out" the picture and expertise necessary to see what is likely to
transpire.
Frankly I was surprised to hear Peter Mansbridge (OneonOne) and his
guest, Internet expert Jim Carroll, say a few months ago that just over
50% of Canadians have used the Internet. My "guestimate" would have been
half that. But it is the growth rate which is of most interest now. If
Mr. Campbell and his Official Opposition form the new government in BC (as
the odds-makers expect), there is no doubt that before the next BC
election (ca. 2005), Internet will be as ubiquitous as radio, telephone
and television or very close to it. Thus I emailed Barry Penner, MLA when
I read his newsletter in Chilliwack re his party's support for a
"Citizens' Assembly". He replid by email that this was the platform for
the Liberal Party. And Liberal Leader, Mr. Campbell confirmed that while
adding that the Liberal Party wants to lead high technology in BC more
generally.
On 15 May 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Following your comments received by Elections Canada by e-mail on April 13,
> please find below the reply from the Chief Electoral Officer Jean Pierre
> Kingsley.
>
> Thank you
>
> REPLY:
>
> May 12, 2000
>
> Mr. Franklin Wayne Poley
> e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Dear Mr. Poley:
>
> This refers to your e-mail of April 13, 2000, inviting Mr. Robert
> Patterson, Chief Electoral Officer, Elections British Columbia, and my Office
> to look into the issue of electronic voting. In this e-mail, you also wish
> to see both Mr. Patterson and myself appear on a television talk show to
> discuss this issue.
Yes, those are the two key points.
> The feasibility of alternate voting methods is of keen interest to Elections
> Canada, given the rate of development of telecommunication and
> Internet-related technology.
I am pleased that you are following these developments in Canada.
EDD is imminent and inevitable. One doesn't have to be
a technowizard with a (silicon of course) crystal ball to see that. It
doesn't require any "manifestos" or even political leadership for this to
happen. However, to the extent that all levels of society are aware of
these developments and participate in shaping them the results will turn
out better.
> I wish to bring to your attention the fact that Elections Canada
> commissioned KPMG Canada and Sussex Circle to conduct a study on the broad
> issues surrounding new information technology and their possible impact on
> the voting process in Canada. Completed in June 1998, the study provided an
> examination of the implications of information technology for the voting
> process in Canada. It is an analysis of the changing values and expectations
> of Canadians respecting the democratic process and the changing technological
> environment in which electoral administration takes place. The study reaches
> several conclusions including the need to maintain administrative efficacy
> and integrity of the electoral process. Elections Canada's study, Technology
> and the Voting Process, is available on the Elections Canada Web Site, at:
>
> http://www.elections.ca/news/research/voting/votingprocess_e.html.
Thank you for the reference. I will look it up.
> I would also like to bring to your attention that Bill C-2, currently before
> the Canadian Parliament, provides that the Chief Electoral Officer may carry
> out studies on alternative voting means and to devise and test an electronic
> voting process for future use in a general election.
Then this should be the unifying theme for one or more tv talk shows on
the subject. I have had a few ideas on this but my resources are limited
compared to so many others who are involved in this field from the
technical experts to elected politicians to bureaucrats to media people.
As a BC/Canadian citizen, I would simply like to hear the best information
that is available on those ALTERNATIVE VOTING MEANS.
However, such a process
> may not be used for an official vote without prior approval of the Committee
> of the House of Commons that normally considers electoral matters.
>
> Finally, should I receive an invitation to participate in a television talk
> show to discuss this topic, I would be pleased to consider it at that time.
Good. Let's see if this can snowball into an interesting media
presentation. I have no doubt that what we are seeing is the biggest
transformation of the political system in history. How could it be
otherwise? Just think of what a ubiquitous Internet in BC means when
combined with the 1996 Recall and Initiative Act. That piece of
legislation was supported by an astounding 80% vote in 1991 which means
that it is not a partisan issue. EDD is not left wing or right wing or
centrist. It will serve the "democratic society" which the Canadian
Constitution says is part of the foundation of law in this country.
Likely within 5 years, and certainly within 10 years, the "Citizens'
Assembly" of British Columbia will hold the reins of power over the
Victoria Assembly. That is not my statement on how the political system
should be. It is my statement of how it will be. Now let's find out as
much as we can about all of the ALTERNATIVE VOTING MEANS from alternative
formulas for representation (like proportional representation) to
alternative technologies like voting machines and voting booths to house
them which are kept up year round.
I have been appealing to Vancouver City Council to recognize the
inevitability of EDD in BC and Canada and to provide some leadership with
a trial project. This would entail putting up booths like those 5-minute
photo booths to contain the 160 digital voting machines the city now owns.
In addition Internet access would be available in the booths for those who
otherwise don't have it. A new by-law would be needed like By-Law 1946 in
the City of Langley (BC) which allows citizens to initiate binding
referenda.
Sincerely-FWP
http://www.atoma.f2s.com/atomareport.html
(File #10)
> Yours truly,
>
> Jean-Pierre Kingsley
>
> cc. Mr. Robert Patterson
> Chief Electoral Officer
> Elections British Columbia
>
>
> YOUR COMMENTS:
>
> Subject: Electronic Direct Democracy: Imminent Reality or Hype?
> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:41:34 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Franklin Wayne Poley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Dear Mr. Kingsley and Mr. Patterson:
> Would you please consider a formal
> investigation by your departments to look into the imminent EDD (Elctronic
> Direct Democracy) for Canada and BC? I'd like to see you on the talk tv shows
> like Pamela Wallin Live and David Ingram, discussing it.
> Sincerely-FWP.
>
> http://users.uniserve.com/~culturex/Machine-Psychology.htm
>
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> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 19:17:51 -0500
> From: Steven Clift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [DW] Online Voting Hype Goes Over the Top
>
>
> *** Democracies Online Newswire - http://www.e-democracy.org/do ***
>
>
> "Gartner Says All States in the United States to Have Some Form of
> Internet-Based Electronic Voting by 2004"
>
> All States! Boy, tell this to the state election directors. I'll stake my
> entire reputation on this one - there is no way that all fifty states will
> allow people to vote in binding general elections from home via the Internet
> by 2004. Back in 1994 I helped create the world's first election-oriented
> web site. I have had my nose in this stuff ever since. I really wonder what
> planet some folks are on.
>
> By 2004 perhaps a few (I mean a few) states will allow voting from Internet-
> connected physical polling places and one of my thoughts is that the first
> state to allow at-home Internet voting will be forced to do so by initiative
> and referendum. The hard truth is that once the technical challenges related
> to Internet voting are dealt, the political choice and budget costs will make
> the technical issues seem like a piece of cake. Internet-based at-home voting
> without a corresponding efforts to promote voting by mail are in my
> estimation exclusionary and anti-democratic.
>
> Has one legislature been given an budget estimate by a state election office
> on the cost to transfer to a secure Internet-based system? Assuming every
> voting precinct would need to wired to prevent double voting, etc. I'll bet
> an average size state election office would come up with an up to a
> half-billion estimate per state. (Someone share better math with the group
> for a handful of states.) It will probably cost less, but the political
> impact of the first government-generated cost estimates by those who control
> state elections will send a political shockwave through the legislatures and
> bring the media hype crashing down. Then the media will start talking about
> the failure of democracy online (when voting online is only a small part of
> the big picture) having build up an unreasonable expectation in the first
> place!
>
> I'd like to be able to vote via the Internet. I expect it to happen in most
> states within 10 years. However, without a grand compromise that allows
> people to use their preferred method of voting (mail, Internet, polling
> booth) I'll not put one minute into advocating the political and taxpayer
> choice to convert to online voting.
>
> Steven Clift
> Democracies Online Newswire
>
>
> From:
>
> http://gartner4.gartnerweb.com/public/static/aboutgg/pressrel/pr041100b.html
>
> CONTACT: Tom McCall
> (408)468-8312
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> Gartner Says All States in the United States to Have Some Form of Internet-
> Based Electronic Voting by 2004
>
> E-Voting Issues Examined During Gartner's Spring Symposium/ITxpo 2000
>
> San Diego, Calif., April 11, 2000 - The 2000 U.S. presidential election will
> be the last presidential election to offer only in-person voting and absentee
> ballots, as the government will have some form of electronic voting available
> by the 2004 election, according to Gartner Group, Inc. (NYSE: IT and ITB).
> Gartner analysts provided their outlook on e-voting during Gartner's Spring
> Symposium/ITxpo conference at the San Diego Convention Center. Gartner
> analysts said much of the infrastructure is in place to allow some form of
> electronic voting by using a Web-capable device.
>
> "The democratic process is on the verge of fundamental change," said
> Christopher Baum, vice president and research area director for Gartner.
> "Although mail voting is common in some of the western states with large
> expanses and small populations, most voters need to travel to a polling
> place. This tends to place a huge burden on the working class. Internet
> voting changes this. Everyone with computer access can conceivably vote
> from wherever they happen to be. The ability to vote from work or home has
> profound implications."
>
> Today paper, punch card and mechanical lever ballots require intensive manual
> efforts to tally. Governments are finding it extremely difficult to keep up
> with demands in most services, and running elections is no different.
> Internet-based voting will offer the option to instantaneously compile
> results once the polls close.
>
> "Because the Internet works with centralized databases, votes are reported
> as they are cast. Assuming the records are correctly reported, this direct
> recording method increases security because the votes are not handled by any
> other processes," Mr. Baum said. While the Internet will enable the
> government to increase efficiencies during these elections, there are three
> key security risks the government will need to prepare for: system outages,
> fraud and attacks.
>
> Any computer system that has chaotic events is subject to failure over time,
> so the government will need to examine if sufficient resources can be applied
> to an Internet-based voting system so that a catastrophic failure does not
> occur during an election.
>
> While one of the benefits of the Internet is that it allows people to vote
> from anywhere, this can also increase security risks. If it's possible to
> register from anywhere and to vote from anywhere, it can become possible to
> vote in elections into which a person should not be allowed to vote. One
> computer attack that has received a lot of attention is electronic ballot
> stuffing. This can be done by a misrepresentation from the application
> server, or it can be done if the database is preloaded with fraudulent
> records, so the final tallies are off.
>
> Gartner has sessions devoted to the e-government market during Gartner's
> Spring Symposium/ITxpo 2000, California, April 10-14. Spring Symposium/ITxpo
> 2000 is featuring 130 strategic technology sessions. The sessions cover more
> than 25 tracks, including E-Business Transformation; Knowledge Management;
> Internet as E-Business Infrastructure; Security and Privacy: Application
> Development and the Internet; Mobile and Remote Access Network Strategies;
> and the Virtual Enterprise.
>
> Gartner's Symposium/ITxpo 2000 will also be presented in Cannes, France, 6-9
> November. The conference will be held again in the United States, October 16-
> 20 in Orlando, Florida. Symposium/ITxpo will move to Brisbane,
> Australia, October 24-27, and Tokyo, Japan, November 14-16. For more
> information on Gartner's Symposium/ITxpo 2000, call 1-800-788-1997, or visit
> the Web site at www.gartner.com/symposium.
>
> About Gartner Gartner, the world's premier business technology advisor, was
> founded in 1979 and is headquartered in Stamford, Connecticut. Gartner
> provides unrivaled thought leadership for more than 9,600 client
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> through the intelligent and efficient use of technology. For more information
> about Gartner's industry-leading research capabilities, services and events,
> please visit http://www.gartner.com.
>
> ^ ^ ^ ^
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