The more you listen to the crap coming out of Congress and the White House
and Washington DC in general.......I have trouble finding intelligent life
here period !!!!
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From: Nurev Ind Research <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Alien Presence? Evidence. .
> Tony Dickinson wrote:
> >
> > Dear Ten,
> > I would be happier if you could qualify your claim. What is
your
> > evidence for there being 'absolutely no "hard" evidence for ET
> > visitatuion' ?
>
> You are requesting that he prove a negative on the same basis as proving,
> (with hard evidence,) the existence of aliens here on Earth. This is a no
no.
>
> Firstly, We ( J2- made the original claim that there is no hard evidence
of
> intelligent alien existence on Earth )are NOT required to prove that
aliens
> don't exist. The more extraordinary the claim, the more solid the evidence
> needs to be. There is none. What there is plenty of, is 'stories'.
>
> >
> > That I, myself, have not knowingly been exposed to any, does not tell me
> > therefore that such evidence does not exist.
>
> If you deconstruct this sentence you will find a very a problematic
> suggestion. These words if taken in a serious context, will cause you to
> undermine your own judgment. Good judgment is not something that humans
> have a great abundance of. Good judgment is learned. It is not an instinct
> we are born with. Unfortunately, there is more to be got from people with
bad
> judgment than good judgment.
>
> In our society there are few tools which help
> develop judgment. School should be one of those tools but it's not. TV
could
> be the best tool but it entirely monopolized by people who know for
CERTAIN
> that a consumer with good judgment is a very bad business idea. Aint gonna
> happen. Religion...to put it politely is not the right tool for the job.
>
> So it's up to each individual to start his/her own Judgment Buildup
Program.
> It's tougher than body building. Every one will encourage you to build up
your
> body.
>
> If all your life you had never experienced the lingering aroma of Unicorn
> droppings, and you are running through a beautiful meadow, and your foot
> crashes through the crusty crown of cow crap, and the home baked smell of
> cooling cow pie wafts you in the face, your first thought ought not be -
> "Oh my god I stepped in Unicorn shit!"
>
> That would be bad judgment because you did not correctly judge the
physical
> situation. In nature, those individuals which miss-judge the physical
> environment more than others, significantly improve the common gene pool
> by leaving it.
>
> The people who diminish your judgment OR your ability to trust your
> judgment, or prevent you from developing your judgment, are doing you
> the individual, real harm. This is done both intentionally and
unintentionally
> in our interactions with people. The measure is, how many of the "events "
to
> which you are exposed during the course of any given period of time, turn
out
> to be true. This includes tv, songs, mags, books, commercials, ads,
billboards,
> salespeople, friends, relatives, strangers with candy, and the clergy.
>
> The more truth you are exposed to, the more you can collect as valid
> experiential data to internalize, and be a base to do comparisons with.
> Judgment ensues when you compare an experience
> in the moment, with what you have learned is true. This might also be
called
> having common sense.
>
> So the following ...
>
> > Dear Ten,
> > I would be happier if you could qualify your claim. What is
your
> > evidence for there being 'absolutely no "hard" evidence for ET
> > visitatuion' ?
> > That I, myself, have not knowingly been exposed to any, does not tell me
> > therefore that such evidence does not exist.
>
> is telling you that your experiential internal base WHICH HAS TAKEN YOU
YEARS
> TO ACCUMULATE AND WHICH HAS SUCCESSFULLY BROUGHT YOU TO YOUR PRESENT POINT
> OF SURVIVAL, should be put aside in order to accept a concept some one
wants
> you to share. This is corruption. You are asked to put asside trustworthy
data
> and replace it with " something else."
>
> Unless YOU YOURSELF has ever directly experienced contact with an alien or
> alien paraphernalia, you have no reason to assume that the more unlikely
> experience is the true one.
>
> > (At least for one example, the evidence with regards meteoric
microossils
> > would appear to be growing since The Murchison work by Pfloog/Hoyle back
> > in the late 70s.
>
> We are not talking about space bacteria or viruses. We are talking about
> intelligent beings who were reviewed thusly...
>
> >>> EXOPOLITICS by Alfred Lambremont Webre
> Reviewed by Nicky Molloy
>
> This is one of the most deeply thought provoking books I've read in some
> time.
> Alfred appears right in his perception that almost a majority of US adults
> know intuitively that we are a part of a populated universe and have been
> kept in the dark about the implications of this. Can our intuition
override
> deliberate disinformation about this disributed by officials? The rest of
> society who choose not to believe there is life out there have been
deceived
> from birth. This could possibly constitute the need to evolve more and may
> even as Alfred suggests reveal the real reason why we have been
quarantined
> from active participation in Universe society, by the rulers of the
> universe - exopolitical reasons, reasons of Universal politics.
>
> Have the rest of the interplanetary federation deliberately shunned us and
> left us alone to transmute our violent, warlike and destructive
tendencies?
> Could there be unseen Universal guardians watching over the Earth - and I
> would also ask, maybe even an unseen planetary ruler acting as owner of
this
> planet, answerable to Universal rulers?<<<
>
> ...If this were just a weak rehash of The Day The Earth Stood Still, fine.
> But if this is presented and accepted as real, then something stinketh in
> Universe.
>
> Joshua2
>
> > Rather than exploring corn circles in the temporate
> > zones, these more passive travellers are landing in stone
> > spaceships amongst the Antarctic craters.)
> >
> > By aplying your same logic to the converse case, 'Interpretations and
> > inherent beliefs' might just as likely 'cause' one not to see "aliens"
> > for what they are be they present.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tony.
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > On Sun, 21 May 2000, tenebroust wrote:
> >
> > > There is absolutely no "hard" evidence of extraterrestrial visitation
of
> > > the Earth........ I would also venture to say that there is NO
evidence
> > > of ANY kind, "hard" or otherwise, but I won't try to press that point.
> > > Interpretation and inherent beliefs cause one to see "aliens"
> > > everywhere, just like Van Daaniken (sp?).
>
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