: And another bug crawls out of the woodwork. We have no idea who he/she is. : How usual. But thank you for the opportunity to give my views. : Let us review the bidding. Israel came into being through war on the : indigenous people : of Palestine by Jewish immigrants mainly from Europe, most of whom have no : known blood connection to the Israelites who left there nearly two thousand : years ago. : They were and are thus alien colonists without a shred of right to the Land. : At the time they began their vicious war on the Palestinians, the Jews of : Palestine : numbered some half million perhaps a few more, while the Palestinians : numbered about : one million four hundred thousand. The Zionist thugs drove somewhere : between : 650,000 and 800,000 Palestinians out of Palestine using massacres and : terror. : They robbed them of the 94% of the land they owned, their houses, their : goods, : and their bank accounts. Israel is in the same position vis-a-vis those : bank accounts : as the Swiss were WRT the Jews of Europe. : After they had gained strength, the Zionists again attacked the remnant of : Palestine : in the West Bank and Gaza, and conquered them. They have resisted every : attempt : of the Palestinians to make peace, and went so far as to invade Lebanon in : order to : drive away the refugees there who Israel had impudently and against : international : law always refused to allow to return home. They stayed in Lebanon for 18 : years, from time to time attacking the Lebanese as they saw fit, and killing : more : than 20,000 people in the process. Just a wonderful group of all American : boys. : Israel only entered the "peace process" when George Bush decided that the : killings : of young Palestinians who had gallantly offered up their bodies to the : brutal : Israeli thugs guarding their prison of a country had to stop. It was the : nightly : horror on American TV that caused revulsion in our country. Reportedly the : Mossad : tried to engineer an assassination of Bush at the Madrid conference. But : you got your revenge : at the ballot box. : It has always been the notion of the Zionists that the Palestinians do not : want peace. : This appears to be propaganda put forth for the purpose of avoiding having : to engage in : actual peace. Yet the Israelis have gone from terrible offer to yet more : terrible. : In Israeli words, the Palestinians never lost a chance to lose a chance. : But this : was sort of gallows humor, in that the Israelis used every ounce of their : then power to : try to impose on the Palestinians impossible choices. : Now time is no longer on Israel's side. Israel has lost over a half million : Ashkenazis : those original settlers who feel they are the only true Israelis. They are : leaving : because they want to live well, and they can in New York or Silicon Valley. : More than a half million have left. Moshe Arens' boy lives in LA, and is a : vocal : opponent of his father's policies. : Israel has no source of Jews with which to replace them, and has been driven : to accept "near Jews", Russians who may have some Jewish blood or may not. : More than a quarter of the approximately one million Russians in the last : ten years : are not Jewish, and more than half those who came in '98 and'99 were not. : Why not : naturalize the women you bring in for the whore houses? Or would the wives : of the : Orthodox object? : Israel and the United States are isolated on the international scene. For : many years : and on these benighted boards, as late as a year or so ago, some of your : cult buddies : were still saying that it was the oil Arabs who engineered support for the : Zionism is Racism resolution (It is, BTW, clearly) and other resolutions : calling for sanctions : on the racist state. For years, the US and zionstate could pressure some : twenty or more states : into voting with them. This no longer is true. Recently the US could only : get Micronesia : or the Fiji Isalnds, those great continental powers to vote with them, and : in the last year or : so even those countries no longer will prostitute themselves. Recent votes : in the UN have : been as high as 153 to 2 in favor of sanctions. : It has been clear for awhile that time is no longer on Israel's side. This : is the most important : point. Israel cannot fill those apartments she builds apace and illegally : in the West Bank. : Israel spends an enormous amount of money on armaments, while one terrorist : with : a suitcase bomb in Tel Aviv could wipe Israel out. Literally. The country : would be devastated : from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, depending on the wind, but that would not be the : worst. Remind me to : point out to the guys that the wind would mostly favor the bomb in West : Jerusalem or a little north. : The Ashkenazi would just leave. In droves. And more droves. the Russians : would follow. : Without going into doomsday scenarios, Israel wildly bombing the rest of the : Mideast, : or what, and we know it would be vicious, there is every reason for Israel : to want to : conclude peace now. For many years, Israel could build more settlements, : and quietly : cut the West Bank into as many pieces as the American handouts would : support. : They can yet and are continuing to do so, but the empty apartments belie the : enthusiasm : of people like Berkowitz and the mad Brooklyn crowd. (Is he kin to Son of : Sam BTW? : How's the boy doing in jail? Holding up? Is it antisemitism that keeps him : there? : Pity you can't get him in one of those crazy settlements. Just keep him : away from : your women folk. Who knows though, the women who are crazy enough to live : in : those settlements might just take to him.) : But I digress. Peace now. Why? Well Arafat is dying, though slowly, he : cannot be : expected to last more than another year or so, and the palestinians are : becoming : restless even as it is under him. Who knows who or what regime will replace : him, : whoever it wil be will not be so supine. (Not that he hasn't shown some : spunk). : [What dreams may come must give us pause.] : Cost. GOK how much it costs Israel in various ways to oppress the : Palestinians. : Clinton is going out. Al Gore, Ol' Whore as I call him doesn't look like a : sure pop from : here. I am not going to vote for him. Most of your crazy cohorts think the : Shrub : won't be good for Israel. Do you think he ever talks to his father? : (Whether it is nobler in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of : outrageous fortune : and all that) It will be interesting to see how our media cover this : election. Have you : heard that Ralph Nader is running? Spread the word. : Israel's leaders know that the world is against them. There is a slowly : evolving : consensus against the continuation of the grosser forms of oppression. The : Israeli Supreme Court visit from time to time with their brethren in the : world. : Their rulings have been almost civilized, probably actually courageous in : their milieu : where there is no constitution to support them. The Ashkenazi elite spend : time : in the United States, and other countries, where the morality is worlds : apart from : Israeli morality, and although they can live comfortably with our media who : are by and large owned by their brethren, they know that Israel is like : Johnny. : (Did you ever hear the story about Johnny. We have time, let me tell you, : it was one of my mother's favorite stories, I have never figured out why : she told it to me all the time. Seems there was a war and all the boys went : down to join up. [Yes it was a long time ago] Anyway there came a time : when the regiment had its first parade, and Johnny's mother went down to : see him march. She came back and was full of praise for her boy. It was : Johnny this and Johnny that. Finally she couldn't contain herself any : longer : and she told her friend: "And you know, Marge, they were all out of step : but Johnny!") : Economics. Israel is a schnorrer state. It takes from the US $10 billion a : year : another billion or so from American Jews who buy worthless Bonds for : Israel, (some 25% of which is subsidized by the tax code, weirdly enough). : It takes from Germany somewhat less, but Germany underwrote the : three nuclear subs, although they appear to be having some qualms about the : last one after the recent tests in the Indian Ocean. It takes from : Switzerland, and France and anywhere else it can scare up guilt geld. : Edgar Bronfman recently said you crazy guys would be going back to the : German well again and again. Lyndon Johnson warned aginst that. Meanwhile : Israel doesn't spend the money it collects as trustee on the victims it was : supposed to spend it on. Elderly victims of the holocaust had to file suit : to : get Israel to pay their pensions out of the German money. (If you will rob : your own, there's no telling what you'll do to others.) There are signs : that : the money tree has about died, what with plucking all the leaves. In the : Congress : Sonny Callahan has shown the first independence in years. God love him. : There are signs that the American people have about had the holocaust : up to their ears. We aren't guilty, you should leave us alone, but no ..... : German companies (and American ones) have balked at paying money for : slave labor worked sixty years ago. : More economics. Israeli produced goods are expensive. Israel has the : highest cost : of almost any industrialized country for goods produced with Israeli labor. : So Israel needs to produce in Arab countries. And of course, if the right : peace can be made, Israel has all those Arabs in the West Bank who could : produce : right there in their own little bantustans. I can see the drool. This : won't : make Israelis any happier, by and large, because the only people who will : benefit are the wealthy Ashkenazi. The Sephardi and others will continue : to drop behind as they have been. But it is a powerful force. If Israel : could only make the peace they want, they could trade with the surrounding : Arab states, exporting weapons of mass destruction, the stuff they know : best how to make. Lots of money there. They could regularize the drug : trade. : They could become the Arab center for laundered money, not just for Russia : and eastern Europe. Every form of criminal enterprise in the world is : already in Israel, and the Israeli mafia could replace the Sicilians. : With the Russians the possibilities are limitless. They could franchise the : brothels, and do an IPO. : But at the root, Israel can't continue the way she has. Israel has all her : bets : on making an oppressive peace with the Palestinians. One of the papers : put out the latest offer which may yet happen or something like it. I sort : of doubt it will, what with crazies like yourself threatening to kill the : PM. : Only in Israel! Effective though, got to hand it to you. Brute force. : Even your own! : More to the point and not to give you crazies too much credit, Israelis : haven't had time to digest the prospects of peace. Fifty years of : indoctrination that you are the people chosen for this piece of real estate : isn't going to change over night, as you certainly hope. : On the details, looks like symbolic numbers of Palestinians return. I see : this : as a major stumbling block. They have the indubitable right to return, you : don't : have the right to keep them out, just the power at present, but of course, : once the old man signs the agreement, he is done, and you will of course : resort to the most brutal force to make sure none ever come. You have : already sown the wind, no use to remind you of the future. : It's not yet clear about borders and settlements. all those crazy settlers : should : be sent packing, but as time goes along, maybe a few violent episodes will : induce : them to leave. : We will see. : Thank you for the chance to share my thoughts with you. : RLA : [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, : > Roger Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: : > > There is a group in New Jersey, right wing Zionists, who have formed a : > > group to : > > lobby the Congress. Every week or so, weither Martin Berkowitz or : > > another : > > sends out a proposed letter for committed Zionists to send to their : > > Congressmen. : > : > Thank you, Redneck L Alexander, for bringing to our attention the : > violation of the Oslo accords by Palestenians which Mr. Berkowitz is : > properly bringing to the attention of USA lawmakers. Hopefully, Mr. : > Berkowitz will also insist that the 10,000 extra Palestenian "police" : > who are now armed in violation of the Oslo agreement will be disarmed. : > : > You indicated in a previous post that you support a peace agreement. Do : > you still desire a peace agreement that BOTH sides will abide by, : > living side by side in peace? Or do you support a peace agreement that : > only Jewish Israel will abide by, and Arab Moslems will just use as a : > tactic in their quest to destroy Jewish Israel? : > : > Or do you really not support a peace agreement at all, but were just : > paying lip service to cover your bigotry? : > : > > Here is the latest. : > > RLA : > > : > > Dear Sir: : > > : > > An ad in the June 21st edition of The New York Times displayed a : > number : > > of examples taken from Palestinian Arab text books portraying : > > intolerance : > > and hatred of Jews. While the Israelis are teaching a false : > revisionist : > > history in their schools about the establishment of the State of : > Israel : > > and the role of the armies of their Arab neighbors, the Palestinian : > Arab : > > : > > education authorities are printing text books comparing Jews to the : > > Nazis : > > and stating that the Arabs will conquor the Jewish State. : > > : > > With whom are we forcing the Israelis to make peace? The Arabs come to : > > the table and say peace yet they teach their people to hate. Until the : > > Arabs start talking peace to their people their is no one for the : > > Israelis to make peace with. : > > : > > I urge you to support the Israeli people - do not allow them to make a : > > false peace. You must stop all support of the Palestinian Arab : > Authority : > > : > > until they demonstrate a real interest in peace. Talk is meaningless. : > > The : > > Arabs must start putting their empty words of peace at the bargaining : > > table into action with their people. Until then all talk will be a : > waste : > > : > > of time. : > > : > > If the legacy of the Clinton Administration will be a peace treaty : > under : > > : > > the present conditions, it will be a legacy that will turn into an : > > embarassment. 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