I tell my children that virginity and chastity
are sexual orientations to. If it were just
a case of teaching open-mindedness then I think
those ideas would be taught in school as well.
I was brought up to believe that people were
educated to make their own choices.
Sex - interesting! You do not need to know anything
about it to enjoy it. For the true sports person,
it is the only sport in which both people are able
to win at the same time.
Sex - as an art done in multiple formats? The art
is in keeping the relationship going. I can have
more fun with my mate, in an horizontal position,
feet away, with my clothes on, sans sexual connotations
because he does believe in sportsmanship then I had
found in any of those "STUDS" that were basically
wired for one function.
To believe that power is in cuss words, sex powers,
religion, homosexualism,
physical powers, or future "telepathic powers"
is to associate things in a mono format.
Laura 04Sept2000
Nate Fischer wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of BB
> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 11:39 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
>
> That's fine, NATE FISCHER - it is you who have chosen to make of me an
> enemy. I greet you as friend, and you announce to the world, like a typical
> liberal blatherer, that I am not so. Fine. YOU have made the choice.
>
> >You made the choice for me, Bill. How you can be a friend of one you so
> despise. Interesting concept. Yes, so I tell it like it is, rather than
> hide my contempt for another behind the guise of friendship. Call me
> honest.
>
> Your comments reveal you to be one of the crowd who gets their jollies
> by becoming round-shouldered from patting the current establishment on the
> back for their "great courage" and "strong stands." Hurray for you and them
> too,
>
> >I am not patting anyone on the back, I am just stating that perhaps it is
> time that people start paying attention to what is really going on in
> regards to subversive government movements, rather than supposed conspiracy
> to turn our children gay.
>
> but since you seem to have about a 1% grasp of dictatorships, and the Hitler
> era in paticular, the citizenry LOVED Hitler, and openly wept tears of
> adoration
> and joy when that lunatic monster appeared in their midst, and they loved
> "der
> fuehrer"
>
> >And this only proves what fools they were. So they wept tears, because
> they were followers and not leaders, and they believe in an part of an
> idealism that did not show its true face until after the war. And besides
> Bill, I bet you the gays, jews, and other individuals who were sought after
> by the Gestapo were not so pleased. For people to call the Framingham
> school board the "Gestapo" seems to be a little bit insane.
>
> when he took a "strong stand," and decided for the nation what it is that
> they,
> and the state, believed and stood for. You would have loved the emperor's
> new clothes.
>
> >No, I rather doubt that.
>
> Now, not to overlook the obvious, but every pro-American, conservative
> list
> seems
> to have it's one self-appointed "crap-stirrer" - who would rather foment
> discord
> amongst the
> members, than to have them realize the truth of what's going on around them.
> You seem to be the one on this site. Don't discuss the issues - kill the
> messenger.
> Maybe the Massachusetts explains it somewhat.
>
> >Yes, you see my name here all the time. I hardly ever post, you can ask
> June and all the rest, they don't know who I am. I normally read the post
> to garner what information I can about the state of our government and its
> illusive activities. I believe that I have discussed the issues, and it
> seems that this particular issue revolves around the messengers and their
> idealisms. Hmmm, considering I have only lived in MA a short time, I am
> sure the brainwashing procedures have gone well.
>
> To quote yourself, "The last time I checked" -- NOBODY DIED and
> LEFT YOU BOSS -- so why you feel it's your duty to be rude, nasty and
> attempt to bawl me out in public when I am only noticing the obvious,
> raises real questions about YOUR MOTIVES.
>
> >I am stating my opinion, Bill. I don't believe I have been any more rude
> than any other individual has at one point on this list in regards to an
> issue that they truly believe in. My motives. . . That's amusing, I will
> leave to speculation exactly what you meant about in that comment.
>
> You said
>
> In the meantime, STOP WASTING MY BANDWIDTH WITH "YOUR CRAP"
>
> You have subscribed to this site voluntarily - so stop your whining like the
> cry-baby you have demonstrated you are, and if you do not like me writing
> a commentary on another post, GET OUT!!
>
> Take your precious BANDWIDTH,
> There's the door -- put an egg in your shoe and BEAT IT !!!
>
> > I will have to remember that one.
>
> Your friend, Bill Ball
>
> Nate Fischer wrote:
>
> > Friends,
> >
> > > Number one, after reading your post here, I couldn't consider you to be
> > one of my friends.
> >
> > This crap must stop - and immediately. None of the "organizations"
> > and "authorities" who are now acting like gestapo agents against the
> > Boy Scouts of America seem not to realize that they do not have a dime
> > to distribute or control except for the contributions or taxes of
> thousands
> > of citizens who very likely feel very differently.
> >
> > > I don't know where you live, but in MA, many of the "taxpaying" citizens
> > had no issues when the school board in Framingham passed the inclusion of
> > "sexual orientation" in their discrimination text.
> >
> > And, school "boards" and "authorities" had better listen up and
> > come to a realization they are NOT in fact the Gestapo Headquarters
> > in determining what rules, edicts and demands are to be followed by
> > parents and students alike simply because they say so.
> >
> > > Yes, god forbid that the school board act as "Gestapo agents" like the
> > rest of people like you. If we can all remember back to the Hitler regime
> > and their "we are better than you" concepts, actions of the BSA start to
> > strike home.
> >
> > Folks, you'd better start applying some very strong pressure to the
> > authoritarian nut cases in our country who believe that they run things
> > and decide whether or not "they" will support a particular organization,
> > simply because these groups stand up for what we all know to be
> > MORALLY RIGHT.
> >
> > > The last time I checked, every person has the opportunity to attend the
> > board meetings and speak their mind. Your concept of "MORALLY RIGHT" is
> > very skewed. Perhaps individuals like yourself need to wake up. A new
> > generation of young people have no issues with the need for
> individuality..
> > They accept people for who they are, no some skewed perception of morals
> > that your generation has created. And besides aren't morals created by
> the
> > majority of a population. Your perspective is becoming less of a
> majority.
> >
> > School Superintendent Mark Smith desperately needs to be sent packing,
> > as the first in a long line of despots who are not afraid to make these
> > kinds
> > of lunatic unilateral decisions which fly in the face of what every
> > traditional
> > American knows to be true and just.
> >
> > > Now I am not a traditional American. All because I don't agree with
> your
> > viewpoints. I stand back, view the situation, and congratulate Mark Smith
> > and his school board for the decision that they have made. It is about
> time
> > that people stand up for what they believe in, not some skewed perception
> of
> > traditions and morals that your generation has created. I think like any
> > human being, you are upset that the world that you helped to create for a
> > younger generation is not going the way you like it, and now you are
> having
> > a hissy fit.
> >
> > >Remember that all parents have the choice to raise their children the way
> > they see fit, and you have "options." Wow there's a concept. If you
> don't
> > like the way the school board is running things, you have the option to
> > withdraw your children, home school them, or send them to a parochial
> > school. And if you don't have children, then sit back with me and look at
> > other conspiracies the government is involved in that are KILLING OUR
> > CIVILIANS, rather than wasting your efforts on something like this.
> > Homosexual populations estimates range from anywhere from 5-10% of our
> > population, and I can't see why the government would have an interest in
> > increasing that population rather than getting itself involved in much
> more
> > profitable and highly secret plots and conspiracies.
> >
> > > In the meantime, STOP WASTING MY BANDWIDTH WITH "YOUR CRAP"
> >
> > This crap MUST STOP.
> >
> > Bill Ball
> >
> > "schuetzen - RKBA!" wrote:
> >
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> > >
> > > On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:49:07 -0600, spiker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Source:
> > > MetroWest Town Online: Framingham, Massachusetts
> > > http://www.townonline.com/metrowest/
> > >
> > > School bans Boy Scouts recruitment
> > >
> >
> http://www.townonline.com/metrowest/framingham/news/0-9097_0_school_090200_c
> > 029360308.html
> > >
> > > September 2, 2000
> > >
> > > By MICHELLE HILLMAN NEWS STAFF WRITER
> > >
> > > FRAMINGHAM -- School Superintendent Mark Smith, reacting to the Boy
> > Scouts'
> > > ban on gays, says he will no longer allow the organization's local
> chapter
> > > to hand out information or recruit members on school grounds.
> > >
> > > The chapter, called the Knox Trail Council, will still be able to hold
> > > meetings in Framingham school buildings, providing they don't send
> > children
> > > home with any information about the Boy Scouts.
> > >
> > > Smith said his decision was prompted by the local council's support of
> the
> > > Boy Scouts of America's policy of excluding both gay scout leaders and
> > > homosexual scouts.
> > >
> > > Dennis Prefontaine, a scout executive, who met with Smith earlier this
> > > month, was not available for comment.
> > >
> > > Smith said Framingham's schools have a strong commitment to respecting
> > > differences and diversity, and said the Boy Scouts' policy to exclude
> > > certain people is in direct conflict with those standards.
> > >
> > > He said he would take the same stance against any group that excludes
> > > people on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity or
> sex.
> > >
> > > So far, Smith has not banned any other groups from disseminating
> > > information through the schools.
> > >
> > > "This is not targeted at the Boy Scouts," said Smith, who has been
> > weighing
> > > the new policy since the high court ruling was handed down in June. "In
> > > fact, my hope would be that the local or national chapter would change
> > > their policy. I think very highly of the Boy Scouts and what they do
> for
> > > children."
> > >
> > > The U.S. Supreme Court ruled earlier this year that the Boy Scouts are
> > > permitted to deny participation of a gay youth or adult because they are
> a
> > > private organization, and therefore do not have to abide by laws
> > > prohibiting discrimination in public accommodations.
> > >
> > > If the Knox Council does change it's mind and decides to support the
> > > inclusion of all students, Smith said he would review the policy.
> > >
> > > John Roberts, executive director of the Civil Liberties Union of
> > > Massachusetts, said the School Department's new policy treads a fine
> line
> > > between upholding the rights of students and the Council's First
> Amendment
> > > rights to freedom of assembly and free expression.
> > >
> > > "It's a very interesting cut here," said Roberts. "It's a clash of
> > > constitutional principles."
> > >
> > > Because Framingham's School Department has a policy of inclusion,
> Roberts
> > > said it may refuse the Boy Scouts permission to hand out material on
> > school
> > > grounds that contradicts that policy. But he said the department may
> not
> > > keep them from using school buildings.
> > >
> > > Smith said that is exactly the reason the decision was made the way it
> > was.
> > >
> > > Smith said he spoke with school principals and members of the School
> > > Committee about the controversy before issuing the policy. He said they
> > > agreed that the Scouts' position fails to benefit students educationally
> > or
> > > enhance the schools' curriculum -- key criteria of the schools'
> > > solicitation policy.
> > >
> > > Smith said it's possible that the School Committee might review the
> > > building policy that grants use of grounds and buildings to various
> > > groups. Currently the policy allows all groups to use buildings
> > regardless
> > > of whether they discriminate.
> > >
> > > Smith said he didn't know of any other school districts in the state
> that
> > > permit local Boy Scout chapters, which exclude gays, to hand out
> > literature
> > > on school grounds.
> > >
> > > "I think organizations that have non-discriminatory provisions ...
> would
> > > be forced to (re)consider their relationship with any private
> organization
> > > that excludes children and adults based on sexual orientation," Smith
> > said.
> > >
> > > To learn more about the pro sodomite viewpoint in Massachusetts click
> > below.
> > >
> > > Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex
> > > http://www.massnews.com/maygsa.htm
> > >
> > > PROVINCETOWN INTRODUCES SODOMY TO PRESCHOOLERS
> > > http://www.thewinds.org/archive/family/gay_agenda8-97.html
> > >
> > > Please keep replies trimmed. That includes that annoying advertisement
> > above - chas
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