-Caveat Lector-
June,
Well, the Southern states were not the only states where the
institution of slavery was practiced. I believe all states
had it prior to TWBTS, some a few years back from that
time/event. They cleverly sold theirs into the South just
prior to the outbreak of the war. Some gave them letters of
freedom but many just "dumped" them right before the
outbreak of conflict. Also, remember the Emmmancipation
Proclamation was not signed until 1864, after a state of
general starvation existed in the South. Then the slaves
were freed with no way to feed themselves, etc. other than
trying to take from people who were already starving. This
was careful timing to ensure maximum harm being done to all
parties. Slavery is certainly a crime against humanity but
all parties here were guilty of practicing it. So have many
"civilizations" such as Egyptian, et al.
But I do not care if you and Bill burn the Stars and Bars
because if we were going to protest too much, something
should have been done to stop the KKK from using it so much.
They also use the American flag but nobody protests that
either. I have seen other strange flags waved around by the
KKK that I do not recognize, either. Some look rather
"original" and I suspect are of their own design or lack
thereof. It (S&B) was not a design in the original state
flags, either, but incorporated around the time of
desegregation, so removing it should not create a big
problem. In Montgomery, there is the former capitol of the
Confederacy where it flies and people often mistakenly think
it is the state capitol. I think it should remain over the
historic capitol of the Confederacy, however. Someone on
this list mentioned the KKK flag-wavers not being
descendents of original slave owners and that is for sure.
The KKK hates former slave-owning class and blames them for
the presence of Blacks in general It never occurred to me
that people do not realize this. They contend "We picked
our own cotton and they could have , too." They are
by-and-largely two different groups entirely. Of course
having married a Latin American and failing to keep the race
"pure" qualifies me for special hatred by this particular
group. Guess they are not into widening of the gene pool
and all of that. I know I live around some members of the
KKK but they have shown any sign of being concerned about my
presence in any way. Hopefully, it is me in theory and not
personally to whom they object. Also, the S&B often appears
on beach towels and swimming trunks, etc as does the British
Union Jack. This is not especially respectful display and
has made it into more of an icon of trivia.
Re: WWII and civilian populations. If it was collateral
damage originally aimed at military targets, I suppose it
could not be helped. If, however, civilians and human
suffering of same was the object I think it was very wrong.
I can think of one incident, Dresden, where this would
apply. I am sleep depraved today and the "detail police"
who ignore the big picture and concentrate on details may
get me on this but my memory from reading long ago only says
the civilian population of Dresden tried for three days to
surrender and Allied troops ignored this attempt and bombed
the hell out of them, retribution and rage. I think that
was wrong, if accurate. More recently, the Balkans come to
mind where some of our actions were highly questionable like
the "enemy tractor" and train bombings.
Amelia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ynr Chyldz Wyld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Flags (was: Ashcroft-The Artful Dodger)
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> From: "Amelia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >These things are considered war crimes by civilized
people.
>
> Perhaps. But what about the crimes against humanity the
Confederate States
> of America sought to perpetuate in the 'institution' of
human slavery.
>
> The Allies burned much of Germany in WWII,
also...including "homes, mostly,
> crops in fields, schools, churches, hospitals and every
mile of railroad
> track existing at the time as well as all civilian food
reserves"...
>
> Do you consider them guilty of war crimes, too?
>
>
> June
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