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>Is there a particular reason you removed the CONTEXT?
What are you talking about? What context?
>>>MJ
You do comprehend Statism?
>>Nessie
Yup. What of it?
>MJ
Your PREVIOUS comments when compared with the above remarks would
indicate otherwise.
How so? Be specific. What exactly do you mean by “statism”? Define your
terms.
>MJ
Perhaps you can refresh our memories since the literacy rate
pre-socialist schools exceeds the post socialist schools.
(1.) Life is short. I don’t plan to waste any of it duplicating my
effort for your benefit, simply because you are too lazy to scroll back.
(2.) What do you mean “socialist” schools? What “socialist” schools?
Define your terms. Be specific.
(3.) “Exceeds”? By how much? According to whom? Cite your sources.
>>>MJ
How will an education through 'cooperation' be WORSE than an
education by force?
>>Nessie
I didn't. I said that if corporations seize control of public
education,
it will be worse.
>MJ
I am well aware of your statement.
Then why did you intentionally distort it? Are you a congenital liar, or
merely an inept debater?
>How will corporations be able to FORCE students to attend
(1.) I didn’t say that they will. Stop putting words in my mouth. It’s
rude. It’s dishonest.
(2.) What are you trying to say here, that privatizing education, or
even instituting a voucher system, will simultaneously eliminate truancy
laws? Do you want to eliminate truancy laws? If so, why?
>or taxpayers to pay as our Government does now?
Where do you think that voucher money is going to come from?
>How is it possible for corporations to 'seize' control without FORCE?
Through politics. The armed might of the state is the cat’s paw of the
corporations.
>What is one's 'fair share'?
As much as you can possibly spare. It shouldn’t impact your ability to
survive. But, the more you can spare, the more you should contribute.
>>Are you saying that you do not consent to contributing your share of
the
expense of public education? A simple yes or no will suffice.
>MJ
I have no choice in the matter currently ... it is taken by force.
HERE is where the Statism from above comes into play.
That wasn’t a yes or a no. That was a very lame attempt at evasion.
Answer the question I asked, not a question I didn’t ask. Do you or do
you not consent to contributing your share of the expense of public
education? Yes or no?
> It is the height of arrogance for you to lecture others as to their
"moral duty".
It is the height of arrogance for you to presume that you don’t need to
be lectured. You are a moral cripple. You extol selfishness, and you do
it in public, where even innocent children can read you. Have you no
shame?
>Above you suggest one contribute 'their fair share' to your education
goals. Any meaning OTHER than a parent paying for their responsibilities
-- ie their child or those children they have chosen such a role --
involves theft of someone's funds ... the enslavement of individuals in
order to provide.
You have it backwards. We’re all in this together, all of humanity. We
are totally dependent on, and responsible for, one another. To withhold
one’s share of the effort that is needed to keep civilization happening,
and yet to reap it’s benefits, is theft.
To propose denying any child the very best education possible is
unspeakably despicable. People who do so should be ostracized, shunned
by all humanity until they reform.
However, in your case I would like to make an exception. With your
permission, I would like to continue to use you as a foil. You’re a
great foil. Nothing I could ever say could discredit your sick and evil
philosophy as well as the obvious deficiencies of a mind that embraces
them. What better illustration than your own inarticulate debate style?
>God just told me that you are full of shit.
Then yours is a false god. Only my god is real. Ask anyone but a pagan
about god and they’ll tell you the exact same thing.
>This is simply ANOTHER religious tenet that you would force on others.
I’m not forcing anything on anybody. I attempting to use persuasion to
convince you, and our audience, of the error of your ways. If I was
using force, you’d know it. I’m perfectly capable of using force, and do
so whenever the occasion warrants. I’m not using it on you, in part
because you’re not worth the effort. It would be too time consuming even
to find you, because you hide like a coward behind the internet. I
seriously doubt that you have ever out spouted this crap F2F to parents
at a PTA meeting. Maybe you should. You’d learn a thing or two.
>It is Fascistic to attempt to impose your concept of "moral duty" on
others by threat of force through government intimidation.
I don’t. Neither do I propose it be done. In fact, this is precisely why
I object to vouchers. Vouchers would mean that the government would take
my money from me by force and use some of it to promote religions not my
own. This is not acceptable.
>Oh, FALLACIES of logic ... now it makes better sense.
What are you talking about here? Which fallacies? Be specific.
>Democracy is rule by mob
And this is bad, why?
>and NOT compatible with anarchy -- which will necessarily result in
gang warfare interrupted by dictatorship of various sorts.
That’s not anarchy. That’s chaos, a whole different thing. Perhaps you
should read up a little on anarchy before you try to tell us what it is.
Try starting here: http://flag.blackened.net/intanark/faq/
>>not everybody CAN take care of themselves.
>MJ
That was not the gist of the ideal.
Then what was “the gist of the ideal”?
Be specific.
>Who will determine which persons cannot care for themselves?
It’s usually self evident who needs help. The elderly, the children, the
infirm, the uneducated, the oppressed, etc., come to mind first. There
are more, lots more. Look around you. They’re not hard to find, not is
this society.
Personally, when a stranger asks me for help, I give them the benefit of
the doubt about it and try to render assistance as best as I can. If
you behave any differently when a stranger asks you for help, you are
morally remiss.
>By claiming that others have some duty to assist you, you are.
Others have a duty to assist me, if I need it, for the same reason I
have a duty to assist them if they need it, because I’m a fellow human
being. That’s all it takes. Everyone has a duty to assist anyone in
need. Relative perceived importance doesn’t factor in. If you would deny
a fellow human being in need your assistance, how can you expect others
to assist you when you need it?
>Capitalism is an economic system VOID of government intervention ...
making your claim silly.
You are confusing capitalism with free enterprise. Free enterprise can
take place without the state. Free enterprise can even take place in
spite of the state. Capitalism, however, can only take place with the
protection of the state’s armed might. As you yourself put it:
>without Government corporations do not exist.
>Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it
is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is
unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us
by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the
law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it
violates the right of an individual. --Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H.
Tiffany, 1819.
Jefferson kept slaves. That’s how he made his living. That means that
anything he ever said about liberty is the word of a hypocrite. If you
are going to quote hypocrites, be aware that it reflects poorly upon
your character, and upon the position which you quote to support.
Perhaps you should attempt a different strategy.
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