-Caveat Lector-
No secret for Steve Wingate gleaned this information from Wild Man Bill
Cooper???
Interesting itiem which I ran across by accident as I was looking under
information on this Cooper - who seems to be spying on Uncle Sam in some
areas for which you could be executed ......if you cannot trust your
friends.....anyway this item refers to this Cooper and maps which now
went all over the world showing our secret underground bases......why
not just get a billboard, Steve?
Saba
Underground Bases
-- "Billy Goodman Happening"
(Radio Show, Las Vegas, 11/89)
This page contains a transcript of a radio show called the "Billy
Goodman Happening" that was aired in Las Vegas, in November of 1989. It
deals with informatio about Underground Bases in Nevada. We obtained a
copy of this through the mailing list organized by Francisco Lopez, who
is searching the airwaves for key information about UFOs, that found it
posted by Steve Wingate, who also has been sharing information about UFO
through various mailing lists and on his own BBS and Web Site.
Update from Steve Wingate (August, 1996): -- Steve shared via the IUFO
mailing list a map of supposed underground bases in the world. Rather
than make this image smaller to fit on this page ... we have a link
below to view this remarkable map on its own page and then you can
return here. To see the map, click HERE.
ILLINOIS
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 00:13:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Francisco Lopez {[EMAIL PROTECTED]}
Subject: Re: UNDERGROUND BASES (fwd)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Wingate)
Subject: Re: UNDERGROUND BASES (fwd)
Organization: LineX Communications (415) 455-1650
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:24:42 GMT
The following conversation, in relation to the Nevada Military Complex
and the 'underground facilities', took place on the "Billy Goodman
Happening" - KVEG Radio 840 AM, Las Vegas, Nevada, on November 19, 1989.
It was transcribed by a Las Vegas resident.
Billy Goodman incidentally, has personally planned visits, in
collaboration with KNBC Radio in Los Angeles, to observe the 'disks'
which are being tested at Groom Lake. Goodman and others claimed to have
seen these disks in operation, and back up these claims with video
documentation. One such video shows a hovering object making a vertical
ascent, stop in mid-air, make a horizontal traverse, followed by another
vertical ascent. Something like this would be impossible for any
conventionally known aircraft of the time to duplicate. Billy Goodman,
who has since moved to another radio station in Los Angeles, has been
very instrumental in getting the information out about the underground
base at Site 51 (or Area-51, the 'underground facility' where the
'visitors' live, according to Bill Cooper's source whom we've just
quoted). In the following annotated transcript, the Caller will be
identified as 'C' and Billy Goodman as 'G':
G: Hi! Your on the Billy Goodman Happening on KVEG! Sir, what can I do
for you tonight?
C: O.K. Are you ready? Hang on to your seats! Here goes! We are going
3,000 feet underground! O.K. We get to that point, 3,000 feet. We come
out into a stainless steel atmosphere... and we come upon people that
are ah... construction people... working people, and so forth that are
supposed to be in that area. Then we come upon another people who push
us into another little room. They tell us, "Do not come out of that
area, until your told to." These guys are 6 minute marines, all right?
They tell us, "If you do, you are going to get hurt!" OK? So we are
construction workers!
G: Where are you working? Where is what you are describing to us.
C: On a certain test site!
G: A certain test site! Which one? You can't reveal which one?
C: We're kinda mixed up! We don't know what the hell is going on. We're
making ah... good bucks... and everything has come down on us... and
they are hurting us! OK? So we are contractors! We are workers! OK? So
there's a person that I called and explained what is happening to me and
they told me to call you and tell you! So, that is what I am doing right
now! Calling you!
G: You presented it in a very odd way! First of all I didn't know if you
were going to be serious or what! Are you saying to me that you are a
construction worker and you had to go 3,000 feet under ground? First of
all what would you be doing underground? Let me ask you that!
C: We are running lights and power.
G: And who assigned you this job?
C: It's through Reynold's Electronics. I have to say that because I get
my pay check from someone else! (Note: Reynold's Electronics is a branch
of "E.G. & G." Corporation which DOES IN FACT work with and contract
through the Nevada and Utah Test Sites - Branton)
G: They tell you to put these lights underground?
C: Yeh, but there's more to it than that! I'm sortof afraid of
expressing. Am I talking to you or what?
G: Yes, you are talking directly to me!
C: OK. You know some of the things that are happening, shouldn't be. It
should be made public! The public should know what the hell is going on!
And it scares the hell out of me. What is not being brought out you
know? For example, can I give you an example? Here's an example! A few
weeks back we were inside a certain cavern going through stainless steel
halls, going north, and as we move along we are hanging lights. In the
rooms are... they're like operating rooms. All of a sudden, off the
elevator, our U.S. Marines come out, crash us down off our scaffold,
pushing us down, and then into a room. This is taking a hell of a lot
out of me to tell you this right now! The bosses come into the room and
we're getting debriefed and all this kind of stuff and all of a sudden
they are carrying fixed bayonets. Now I fought in Vietnam and I thought
these guys were my buddies! Oh, no way! Forget it! These guys are from
outer space! (Note: There is a slight possibility that the 'soldiers'
which this man encountered were not 'human' marines, but we will deal
with this bizarre possibility later on - Branton) These people brought
these little characters on gurneys, OK? They had big heads and little
bodies and they went into this little room. Then, behind them, these
doctors in white coats and stuff! And we was really at ah... we didn't
know what the hell was going on! We were shocked to hell! ..I was SCARED
man!
G: Well, sure you didn't know what was going on and didn't expect it! I
guess them handling you upset you first of all. Being man to man, you
thought why should you treat me this way! And that's to be expected. As
far as knowing where you are I have no idea.
C: I know where I was! I worked there every day! I keep a log and if
someone asks me I know what's going on! I'm telling you man they're not
telling us the truth. There is something damn wrong within our
government. I only got a glimpse of this scientist on television (i.e.
most likely referring to Robert Lazar - Branton), but I know he's not
telling much of what he knows. I'm just a worker. A hammer and nail man.
This guy's got more brains than I do, and would know more about it than
I do. There's something INSIDE they aren't telling us!
G: OK. I understand that! Now what do you want us to do about it?
C: EXPOSE IT!!!
G: I think you've done that yourself, just now! Now you haven't told us
your location and I think that's important so we have some idea where
this is. I hope you understand at this moment...
C: I work at Mercury, Nevada and I'm the best electrician there. This is
between you and me now. I don't want anybody else to know about this!
G: But your on the air Sir!
C: You mean somebody knows about this besides you and me?
G: But you are talking over the radio, Sir! Everybody, all over the West
Coast that is listening has just heard you! So you've gotten your word
out. Now let's see if anybody else knows about it. Maybe just maybe,
we'll get some calls from some of the people that work with you.
C: Wait a minute! You mean somebody else knows about this beside you and
me?
G: Now, this is a talk show, you called a talk show. I am over the radio
- that's where you called!
C: OH, MY GOD!!!
G: Why, what's wrong with that? You called a talk show!
C: I thought I was just talking to you!
G: Now you said someone told you to call me. Was it someone you work
with?
C: Yes.
G: Nobody knows who you are. You haven't said your name or anything!
Now, let's see if anyone will back up your story!
C: But I didn't know other people would hear this. Now I'm scared for my
life! There's tremendous stuff out there that's being hidden. It's being
corrupted inside. It's being stashed away.
G: Well that's what we do here. We are trying to bring the information
out, and it's people like yourself who are making that happen. They
bring us information all the time! Are you trying to bring the
information out yourself because you don't like what's going on?
C: I fear for my life because I've seen what happened. I fear for my
life because the government is lying to me.
G: OK. Why do you fear for your life? Have you been threatened?
C: Before you even go down in the pit they threaten you! That is you
tell anything of what you saw, you are dead!!!
G: But you're not saying more than what you saw. Is there anything else
you want to say before we say thank you for calling?
C: Yes, one other thing. Whenever it gets down to the nitty gritty, it
will be clear to the people, that what they are seeing on the news, is
true! We've got six little bodies under ground, man!!!
G: Please keep in touch, OK?
(end of transcript)
NOTES
----------
The reference to Reynold's Electrical, by the way, may be explained more
fully in it's connection with E.G. & G., from the following reference
which we quote, from an article that appeared in a newspaper called the
REVIEW-JOURNAL, January 9th, 1990. This Associated Press article stated:
"Three Nevada-based EG&G companies employ most of the workers at the
Nevada TEST SITE, the nations' nuclear proving grounds 65 miles
northwest of Las Vegas.
"The companies employ 8,000 people: 1,500 at EG&G Energy Measurements
Inc.; 1,000 at EG&G Special Projects; and 5,500 at Reynolds Electrical
and Engineering Co."
Actually, present officials working at the Nevada Test Site are
apparently, at least for the most part, refusing the advice of the
FOUNDER of EG&G., Herald 'Doc' Edgerton, who once made the following
statement at a meeting of the Archaeological Society of America:
"Work like hell, TELL EVERYONE EVERYTHING YOU KNOW, close a deal with a
handshake, and have fun." Edgerton apparently was no supporter of
'official secrecy', yet many of those now involved in this company are
being threatened to remain silent to the point of endangering their very
lives if they speak out about what they have seen. Incidentally, Robert
Lazar was hired by EG&G himself to work at the S-4 installation at Groom
Lake. In fact, we will now relate another conversation which took place
on the "Billy Goodman Happening" almost a week following the
conversation which is recorded above. There are apparently SOME
EMPLOYEES working at the Nevada Test Site, who ARE speaking out about
what is going on there, like the one who called in to the Billy Goodman
show on Nov. 24, 1989, possibly in response to the caller from Mercury,
Nevada mentioned earlier, as well as in response to Bob Lazar's own
experiences.
The person who transcribed this particular taped program indicated that
they had missed the first 15 seconds or so of the callers conversation.
This is NOT the same caller whose conversation we just described. In the
following transcript, (C:) indicates 'Caller'; (G:) indicates Billy
'Goodman'; and (L.:) refers to Bob 'Lazar', who was Goodman's guest for
that evening. Beginning with the 'Caller':
C: ...Well, we're kinda fed up with what's going on, right! And I mean
nothing gets done without the ants! We are the ants! We are the
construction workers, O.K.? We put things together and take them apart!
You are the scientists (referring here to Robert Lazar - Branton). You
do all the higher level of knowledge stuff, right? We do all the putting
in this and putting in that: installing, construction and so forth! Well
we heard about your situation, and it's going through a whole bunch of
grape vines, O.K? It's coming together where people are meeting in small
groups and they're trying to organize a support for you to back you up!
Out of the meeting we had yesterday of 7 people, counting myself there
are two that will come forward and support you! What they SAW, what they
are INVOLVED WITH! The other guys are just scared to death and I'm a
little scared myself, you know!
L.: Do these people work in area S-4?
C: Yeh, all over the area!
L.: That would be great!
C: Mostly UNDERGROUND! The deep sections of the area! The whole thing!
G: How do you feel Bob? Sounds like you are getting some support!
L.: Yea, that's great! There's power in numbers!
C: We are trying to get things where it will be safe! You know what I
mean Bob?
L.: Oh yeh, I do!
C: It's kinda hard to talk to you like this you know but the guys are
for you! People are for you and everybody's wanted to do something a
long time ago but nobody knew what they could do.
L.: Yeh, that was the consensus when I was down there! Everybody wanted
to do something. I'm glad everyone has that attitude!
C: Yeh, you are probably the beginning of the first motion of the wheel
you know! The first turn! The wheel is gonna turn faster and faster in
order to get where we want to get to!
L.: Well hopefully that will be the case! Do you think these people
would come forward if there was some sort of congressional amnesty for
them?
C: I don't know but we all know a lot! We know our jobs well, like you
do!
L.: I'm sure you do.
C: What we have to do is be firm about it, get to the point and say,
"Hey, here's what's happening!" Why don't you tell the people what's
happening? Why keep it a secret? Like before you walk into those hangers
there. Somebody had to install this and install that! It's frightening.
It scared the heck out of me. We got together out at Lathrup Wells and
kicked it around. We B.S.'ed a little bit and said, "We gotta do
something!" SO WE DID SOMETHING YESTERDAY. Like I said: there's only two
of the seven of us who are willing to do something.
G: Sir, Sir! Is there anything we can do to help you in this matter? Is
there anything the listening people can do? I know they are behind Bob
Lazar 100%. I had him on here one night and there hasn't been one person
by either mail, or by telephone, who has disputed what he has said! So
they are behind him. Is there anything we can do?
C: Well you could form some kind of walk or picket! Or announce it on
the street. Tell them we want to know! WE WANT TO KNOW!!!
G: When you say on the street, are you talking about downtown Las Vegas?
C: YES!
G: What do you think of that Bob? Do you think that would do anything?
L.: Certainly if these people come forward! They have a LOT to lose, if
people start making a ruckus like that! They could lose their jobs right
away! They talked about there being a ten year jail term and a $10,000
fine for divulging information like that! I mean they have a lot to
lose! You might...
G: But you know something Bob? It's almost like...
C: We have the first amendment on our side!
L.: Yeh, you do but... have you thought about contact(ing) George Knapp?
(of KLAS-TV, Las Vegas, who produced an entire series of UFO-based
documentaries after Lazar came forward with his story - Branton) He's
looking for anybody that is coming forward from S-4, and any surrounding
areas having knowledge at all about that area or any of the flying
saucer information! He's gathering all he can and doing alot to try and
expose it!
G: You might want to contact George! That might be a good idea! But I
think there's another side to this. It's almost like they're not
concerned any more about their jobs. They're more concerned about the
Constitution! They're more concerned about Humanity! That's the
impression I get!
L.: Yeh, you get that point but you have to feed yourself too!
G: Well you know, there are people that take chances in life, and
sometimes they wind up with something better. Later on... down the line.
You know what I'm saying? Someone like yourself. I'm not saying this
would happen by coming forward, taking a chance, and all of a sudden,
say, the government cut you off. You might get an offer for a better
position. You follow what I'm saying? Because there are people who own
the businesses that believe the way you believe. And I believe this! I
hear this gentleman talking and it's happening more and more. There are
people out there who would LOVE to come forward with information.
C: But somebody has to start it.
G: Right. And I think you've done that Bob! You started the ball
rolling. I know you did. I think what is going to happen is the people
who have been wanting to say something; this might be a relief for them.
It's coming out and they won't have to keep it inside any more!
L.: That was the general consensus when I was out there.
G: Well obviously they want out too. They want to tell the truth.
C: Bob, did you have any work underground? IN THE TUNNELS?
L.: No! I have a friend whose dad worked on some of the drilling
equipment! I know there's some tunnels down there!
C: There's more than just tunnels down there! There's everything you can
imagine down there. I know cause we put it up!!! We installed. We did
everything. I just want you to know that the M.W.s (Mercury Workers) are
gathering together in small groups trying to put something together for
you and contact you somehow to join you. If the people want to join us
in a march or whatever it's going to be, that's what we're going to do!
L.: Oh! That's super!
C: So we're with you man!
G: Thanks for the call sir! Have a nice night. Bob, it sounds as though
people are starting to come forward.
(end of transcript)
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Map of Underground Bases
( Steve Wingate )
Keep thinking of that list of CIA operatives Kissinger left on his desk
open so people could take picture from balcony....National Enquirer
caught that bastard for the man who ran Enquirer then was CIA Bob
Pope....but end result, Agent Welsh brought home in a coffin draped in
USA flag, not UN flag......
So nice to know China when the aim those missiles now thanks to Clinton
towards USA - an have the exact location of these bases - some are
secret missile sites .....big Trojan Horses already in action in USA but
main goal is to destroy our intelligence.....then send in the Zion
peasants with Kissinger head enemy within.
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