-Caveat Lector-
A big THANKS, Saba, for digging this out. VERY REVEALING.
Probably some people would rather you had not found this.
On Mon, 7 May 2001 14:46:33 -0400 Aleisha Saba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> No secret for Steve Wingate gleaned this information from Wild Man
> Bill
> Cooper???
> Interesting itiem which I ran across by accident as I was looking
> under
> information on this Cooper - who seems to be spying on Uncle Sam in
> some
> areas for which you could be executed ......if you cannot trust your
> friends.....anyway this item refers to this Cooper and maps which
> now
> went all over the world showing our secret underground
> bases......why
> not just get a billboard, Steve?
>
> Saba
>
> Underground Bases
> -- "Billy Goodman Happening"
> (Radio Show, Las Vegas, 11/89)
> This page contains a transcript of a radio show called the "Billy
> Goodman Happening" that was aired in Las Vegas, in November of 1989.
> It
> deals with informatio about Underground Bases in Nevada. We obtained
> a
> copy of this through the mailing list organized by Francisco Lopez,
> who
> is searching the airwaves for key information about UFOs, that found
> it
> posted by Steve Wingate, who also has been sharing information about
> UFO
> through various mailing lists and on his own BBS and Web Site.
> Update from Steve Wingate (August, 1996): -- Steve shared via the
> IUFO
> mailing list a map of supposed underground bases in the world.
> Rather
> than make this image smaller to fit on this page ... we have a link
> below to view this remarkable map on its own page and then you can
> return here. To see the map, click HERE.
> ILLINOIS
>
> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 00:13:08 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Francisco Lopez {[EMAIL PROTECTED]}
> Subject: Re: UNDERGROUND BASES (fwd)
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Wingate)
> Subject: Re: UNDERGROUND BASES (fwd)
> Organization: LineX Communications (415) 455-1650
> Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 18:24:42 GMT
> The following conversation, in relation to the Nevada Military
> Complex
> and the 'underground facilities', took place on the "Billy Goodman
> Happening" - KVEG Radio 840 AM, Las Vegas, Nevada, on November 19,
> 1989.
> It was transcribed by a Las Vegas resident.
> Billy Goodman incidentally, has personally planned visits, in
> collaboration with KNBC Radio in Los Angeles, to observe the 'disks'
> which are being tested at Groom Lake. Goodman and others claimed to
> have
> seen these disks in operation, and back up these claims with video
> documentation. One such video shows a hovering object making a
> vertical
> ascent, stop in mid-air, make a horizontal traverse, followed by
> another
> vertical ascent. Something like this would be impossible for any
> conventionally known aircraft of the time to duplicate. Billy
> Goodman,
> who has since moved to another radio station in Los Angeles, has
> been
> very instrumental in getting the information out about the
> underground
> base at Site 51 (or Area-51, the 'underground facility' where the
> 'visitors' live, according to Bill Cooper's source whom we've just
> quoted). In the following annotated transcript, the Caller will be
> identified as 'C' and Billy Goodman as 'G':
> G: Hi! Your on the Billy Goodman Happening on KVEG! Sir, what can I
> do
> for you tonight?
> C: O.K. Are you ready? Hang on to your seats! Here goes! We are
> going
> 3,000 feet underground! O.K. We get to that point, 3,000 feet. We
> come
> out into a stainless steel atmosphere... and we come upon people
> that
> are ah... construction people... working people, and so forth that
> are
> supposed to be in that area. Then we come upon another people who
> push
> us into another little room. They tell us, "Do not come out of that
> area, until your told to." These guys are 6 minute marines, all
> right?
> They tell us, "If you do, you are going to get hurt!" OK? So we are
> construction workers!
> G: Where are you working? Where is what you are describing to us.
> C: On a certain test site!
> G: A certain test site! Which one? You can't reveal which one?
> C: We're kinda mixed up! We don't know what the hell is going on.
> We're
> making ah... good bucks... and everything has come down on us... and
> they are hurting us! OK? So we are contractors! We are workers! OK?
> So
> there's a person that I called and explained what is happening to me
> and
> they told me to call you and tell you! So, that is what I am doing
> right
> now! Calling you!
> G: You presented it in a very odd way! First of all I didn't know if
> you
> were going to be serious or what! Are you saying to me that you are
> a
> construction worker and you had to go 3,000 feet under ground? First
> of
> all what would you be doing underground? Let me ask you that!
> C: We are running lights and power.
> G: And who assigned you this job?
> C: It's through Reynold's Electronics. I have to say that because I
> get
> my pay check from someone else! (Note: Reynold's Electronics is a
> branch
> of "E.G. & G." Corporation which DOES IN FACT work with and contract
> through the Nevada and Utah Test Sites - Branton)
> G: They tell you to put these lights underground?
> C: Yeh, but there's more to it than that! I'm sortof afraid of
> expressing. Am I talking to you or what?
> G: Yes, you are talking directly to me!
> C: OK. You know some of the things that are happening, shouldn't be.
> It
> should be made public! The public should know what the hell is going
> on!
> And it scares the hell out of me. What is not being brought out you
> know? For example, can I give you an example? Here's an example! A
> few
> weeks back we were inside a certain cavern going through stainless
> steel
> halls, going north, and as we move along we are hanging lights. In
> the
> rooms are... they're like operating rooms. All of a sudden, off the
> elevator, our U.S. Marines come out, crash us down off our scaffold,
> pushing us down, and then into a room. This is taking a hell of a
> lot
> out of me to tell you this right now! The bosses come into the room
> and
> we're getting debriefed and all this kind of stuff and all of a
> sudden
> they are carrying fixed bayonets. Now I fought in Vietnam and I
> thought
> these guys were my buddies! Oh, no way! Forget it! These guys are
> from
> outer space! (Note: There is a slight possibility that the
> 'soldiers'
> which this man encountered were not 'human' marines, but we will
> deal
> with this bizarre possibility later on - Branton) These people
> brought
> these little characters on gurneys, OK? They had big heads and
> little
> bodies and they went into this little room. Then, behind them, these
> doctors in white coats and stuff! And we was really at ah... we
> didn't
> know what the hell was going on! We were shocked to hell! ..I was
> SCARED
> man!
> G: Well, sure you didn't know what was going on and didn't expect
> it! I
> guess them handling you upset you first of all. Being man to man,
> you
> thought why should you treat me this way! And that's to be expected.
> As
> far as knowing where you are I have no idea.
> C: I know where I was! I worked there every day! I keep a log and if
> someone asks me I know what's going on! I'm telling you man they're
> not
> telling us the truth. There is something damn wrong within our
> government. I only got a glimpse of this scientist on television
> (i.e.
> most likely referring to Robert Lazar - Branton), but I know he's
> not
> telling much of what he knows. I'm just a worker. A hammer and nail
> man.
> This guy's got more brains than I do, and would know more about it
> than
> I do. There's something INSIDE they aren't telling us!
> G: OK. I understand that! Now what do you want us to do about it?
> C: EXPOSE IT!!!
> G: I think you've done that yourself, just now! Now you haven't told
> us
> your location and I think that's important so we have some idea
> where
> this is. I hope you understand at this moment...
> C: I work at Mercury, Nevada and I'm the best electrician there.
> This is
> between you and me now. I don't want anybody else to know about
> this!
> G: But your on the air Sir!
> C: You mean somebody knows about this besides you and me?
> G: But you are talking over the radio, Sir! Everybody, all over the
> West
> Coast that is listening has just heard you! So you've gotten your
> word
> out. Now let's see if anybody else knows about it. Maybe just maybe,
> we'll get some calls from some of the people that work with you.
> C: Wait a minute! You mean somebody else knows about this beside you
> and
> me?
> G: Now, this is a talk show, you called a talk show. I am over the
> radio
> - that's where you called!
> C: OH, MY GOD!!!
> G: Why, what's wrong with that? You called a talk show!
> C: I thought I was just talking to you!
> G: Now you said someone told you to call me. Was it someone you work
> with?
> C: Yes.
> G: Nobody knows who you are. You haven't said your name or anything!
> Now, let's see if anyone will back up your story!
> C: But I didn't know other people would hear this. Now I'm scared
> for my
> life! There's tremendous stuff out there that's being hidden. It's
> being
> corrupted inside. It's being stashed away.
> G: Well that's what we do here. We are trying to bring the
> information
> out, and it's people like yourself who are making that happen. They
> bring us information all the time! Are you trying to bring the
> information out yourself because you don't like what's going on?
> C: I fear for my life because I've seen what happened. I fear for my
> life because the government is lying to me.
> G: OK. Why do you fear for your life? Have you been threatened?
> C: Before you even go down in the pit they threaten you! That is you
> tell anything of what you saw, you are dead!!!
> G: But you're not saying more than what you saw. Is there anything
> else
> you want to say before we say thank you for calling?
> C: Yes, one other thing. Whenever it gets down to the nitty gritty,
> it
> will be clear to the people, that what they are seeing on the news,
> is
> true! We've got six little bodies under ground, man!!!
> G: Please keep in touch, OK?
> (end of transcript)
> NOTES
> ----------
> The reference to Reynold's Electrical, by the way, may be explained
> more
> fully in it's connection with E.G. & G., from the following
> reference
> which we quote, from an article that appeared in a newspaper called
> the
> REVIEW-JOURNAL, January 9th, 1990. This Associated Press article
> stated:
> "Three Nevada-based EG&G companies employ most of the workers at the
> Nevada TEST SITE, the nations' nuclear proving grounds 65 miles
> northwest of Las Vegas.
> "The companies employ 8,000 people: 1,500 at EG&G Energy
> Measurements
> Inc.; 1,000 at EG&G Special Projects; and 5,500 at Reynolds
> Electrical
> and Engineering Co."
> Actually, present officials working at the Nevada Test Site are
> apparently, at least for the most part, refusing the advice of the
> FOUNDER of EG&G., Herald 'Doc' Edgerton, who once made the following
> statement at a meeting of the Archaeological Society of America:
> "Work like hell, TELL EVERYONE EVERYTHING YOU KNOW, close a deal
> with a
> handshake, and have fun." Edgerton apparently was no supporter of
> 'official secrecy', yet many of those now involved in this company
> are
> being threatened to remain silent to the point of endangering their
> very
> lives if they speak out about what they have seen. Incidentally,
> Robert
> Lazar was hired by EG&G himself to work at the S-4 installation at
> Groom
> Lake. In fact, we will now relate another conversation which took
> place
> on the "Billy Goodman Happening" almost a week following the
> conversation which is recorded above. There are apparently SOME
> EMPLOYEES working at the Nevada Test Site, who ARE speaking out
> about
> what is going on there, like the one who called in to the Billy
> Goodman
> show on Nov. 24, 1989, possibly in response to the caller from
> Mercury,
> Nevada mentioned earlier, as well as in response to Bob Lazar's own
> experiences.
> The person who transcribed this particular taped program indicated
> that
> they had missed the first 15 seconds or so of the callers
> conversation.
> This is NOT the same caller whose conversation we just described. In
> the
> following transcript, (C:) indicates 'Caller'; (G:) indicates Billy
> 'Goodman'; and (L.:) refers to Bob 'Lazar', who was Goodman's guest
> for
> that evening. Beginning with the 'Caller':
> C: ...Well, we're kinda fed up with what's going on, right! And I
> mean
> nothing gets done without the ants! We are the ants! We are the
> construction workers, O.K.? We put things together and take them
> apart!
> You are the scientists (referring here to Robert Lazar - Branton).
> You
> do all the higher level of knowledge stuff, right? We do all the
> putting
> in this and putting in that: installing, construction and so forth!
> Well
> we heard about your situation, and it's going through a whole bunch
> of
> grape vines, O.K? It's coming together where people are meeting in
> small
> groups and they're trying to organize a support for you to back you
> up!
> Out of the meeting we had yesterday of 7 people, counting myself
> there
> are two that will come forward and support you! What they SAW, what
> they
> are INVOLVED WITH! The other guys are just scared to death and I'm a
> little scared myself, you know!
> L.: Do these people work in area S-4?
> C: Yeh, all over the area!
> L.: That would be great!
> C: Mostly UNDERGROUND! The deep sections of the area! The whole
> thing!
> G: How do you feel Bob? Sounds like you are getting some support!
> L.: Yea, that's great! There's power in numbers!
> C: We are trying to get things where it will be safe! You know what
> I
> mean Bob?
> L.: Oh yeh, I do!
> C: It's kinda hard to talk to you like this you know but the guys
> are
> for you! People are for you and everybody's wanted to do something a
> long time ago but nobody knew what they could do.
> L.: Yeh, that was the consensus when I was down there! Everybody
> wanted
> to do something. I'm glad everyone has that attitude!
> C: Yeh, you are probably the beginning of the first motion of the
> wheel
> you know! The first turn! The wheel is gonna turn faster and faster
> in
> order to get where we want to get to!
> L.: Well hopefully that will be the case! Do you think these people
> would come forward if there was some sort of congressional amnesty
> for
> them?
> C: I don't know but we all know a lot! We know our jobs well, like
> you
> do!
> L.: I'm sure you do.
> C: What we have to do is be firm about it, get to the point and say,
> "Hey, here's what's happening!" Why don't you tell the people what's
> happening? Why keep it a secret? Like before you walk into those
> hangers
> there. Somebody had to install this and install that! It's
> frightening.
> It scared the heck out of me. We got together out at Lathrup Wells
> and
> kicked it around. We B.S.'ed a little bit and said, "We gotta do
> something!" SO WE DID SOMETHING YESTERDAY. Like I said: there's only
> two
> of the seven of us who are willing to do something.
> G: Sir, Sir! Is there anything we can do to help you in this matter?
> Is
> there anything the listening people can do? I know they are behind
> Bob
> Lazar 100%. I had him on here one night and there hasn't been one
> person
> by either mail, or by telephone, who has disputed what he has said!
> So
> they are behind him. Is there anything we can do?
> C: Well you could form some kind of walk or picket! Or announce it
> on
> the street. Tell them we want to know! WE WANT TO KNOW!!!
> G: When you say on the street, are you talking about downtown Las
> Vegas?
> C: YES!
> G: What do you think of that Bob? Do you think that would do
> anything?
> L.: Certainly if these people come forward! They have a LOT to lose,
> if
> people start making a ruckus like that! They could lose their jobs
> right
> away! They talked about there being a ten year jail term and a
> $10,000
> fine for divulging information like that! I mean they have a lot to
> lose! You might...
> G: But you know something Bob? It's almost like...
> C: We have the first amendment on our side!
> L.: Yeh, you do but... have you thought about contact(ing) George
> Knapp?
> (of KLAS-TV, Las Vegas, who produced an entire series of UFO-based
> documentaries after Lazar came forward with his story - Branton)
> He's
> looking for anybody that is coming forward from S-4, and any
> surrounding
> areas having knowledge at all about that area or any of the flying
> saucer information! He's gathering all he can and doing alot to try
> and
> expose it!
> G: You might want to contact George! That might be a good idea! But
> I
> think there's another side to this. It's almost like they're not
> concerned any more about their jobs. They're more concerned about
> the
> Constitution! They're more concerned about Humanity! That's the
> impression I get!
> L.: Yeh, you get that point but you have to feed yourself too!
> G: Well you know, there are people that take chances in life, and
> sometimes they wind up with something better. Later on... down the
> line.
> You know what I'm saying? Someone like yourself. I'm not saying this
> would happen by coming forward, taking a chance, and all of a
> sudden,
> say, the government cut you off. You might get an offer for a better
> position. You follow what I'm saying? Because there are people who
> own
> the businesses that believe the way you believe. And I believe this!
> I
> hear this gentleman talking and it's happening more and more. There
> are
> people out there who would LOVE to come forward with information.
> C: But somebody has to start it.
> G: Right. And I think you've done that Bob! You started the ball
> rolling. I know you did. I think what is going to happen is the
> people
> who have been wanting to say something; this might be a relief for
> them.
> It's coming out and they won't have to keep it inside any more!
> L.: That was the general consensus when I was out there.
> G: Well obviously they want out too. They want to tell the truth.
> C: Bob, did you have any work underground? IN THE TUNNELS?
> L.: No! I have a friend whose dad worked on some of the drilling
> equipment! I know there's some tunnels down there!
>
> C: There's more than just tunnels down there! There's everything you
> can
> imagine down there. I know cause we put it up!!! We installed. We
> did
> everything. I just want you to know that the M.W.s (Mercury Workers)
> are
> gathering together in small groups trying to put something together
> for
> you and contact you somehow to join you. If the people want to join
> us
> in a march or whatever it's going to be, that's what we're going to
> do!
>
> L.: Oh! That's super!
>
> C: So we're with you man!
>
> G: Thanks for the call sir! Have a nice night. Bob, it sounds as
> though
> people are starting to come forward.
> (end of transcript)
>
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> Map of Underground Bases
> ( Steve Wingate )
>
>
> Keep thinking of that list of CIA operatives Kissinger left on his
> desk
> open so people could take picture from balcony....National Enquirer
> caught that bastard for the man who ran Enquirer then was CIA Bob
> Pope....but end result, Agent Welsh brought home in a coffin draped
> in
> USA flag, not UN flag......
>
> So nice to know China when the aim those missiles now thanks to
> Clinton
> towards USA - an have the exact location of these bases - some are
> secret missile sites .....big Trojan Horses already in action in USA
> but
> main goal is to destroy our intelligence.....then send in the Zion
> peasants with Kissinger head enemy within.
>
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