-Caveat Lector- Even given that the details you give may be correct June though, the fact that there is a time similarity between a solstice celebration and Christmas doesn't mean that there has been no history of Christmas celebrations over the last 2,000 years. The holiday was kept alive by its association with Christianity rather than the other way around. I really don't think that those who celebrate the Winter Holidays are calling themselves pagans because the time frame is there. (It would be an interesting twist..."Communities can't publicly celebrate the Winter Holidays because of separation of state and grove.")
The thread is titled "Is this the end of Christmas in America?" The answer is really no. In the same way that the holidays of Judaism are really irrelevant to the larger community, so it will be with the Christian holidays, believers in monotheistic religion becoming a rather quaint subset of the larger community. Communities are held together by shared rituals among other things. Winter Holidays is such a forced, shared ritual. In time we Jews will be asked why we aren't celebrating Winter Holidays with the rest of the community? What will our answer be? It certainly has been much easier for us to answer why we don't celebrate Christmas. Anyway, redefining how that day in December is to be celebrated is only one part of the ongoing change to irrelevance of the monotheistic religions to life in the New World Order. As Mortimer Adler wrote, the New World Order must have a culture in common, and Judaism, Christianity and Islam are not acceptable. <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html <A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html">Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ <A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/">ctrl</A> ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om