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On around Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:47:56 -0800, Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
this message in news:internal.mailing-list.independent.ctrl . . .

> Terry Jones wrote:
> Sunday December 30, 2001
> The Observer
[...]
> Of course, they've done terribly well in bringing chaos to
> Afghanistan, but I don't remember that as being one of the policy
> objectives.  When those planes smashed into the World Trade Centre
> with the loss of 2,500 innocent lives, I don't think anybody's first
> reaction was: 'Well, the sooner we get the mujahideen and the warlords
> to take over Kabul the better!'  No, as I remember,

2,500?  The last number I heard was closer to 6,000.

[...]
> Well, many months later, who has paid for it?  US taxpayers have
> stumped up billions of dollars.  They've paid for it.  So have the
> British taxpayers, for some reason which hasn't yet been explained to
> us.  Uncounted thousands of innocent Afghan citizens have paid for it
> too - with their lives.

I guess the author of this article is the type that demands utter perfection
from everyone.  The secretary of defense said that there would be accidents
and that's part of war.

> I say 'uncounted' because nobody in the West seems to have been
> particularly interested in counting them.  It's pretty certain more
> innocent people have died and are still dying in the bombing of
> Afghanistan than on 11 September, but the New York Times doesn't run
> daily biographies of them so they don't count.  Oh, I nearly forgot -
> we've all paid a considerable amount in terms of those precious civil
> liberties and freedoms that make our way of life in the Free World so
> much better than everyone else's.  Bit of a conundrum that.

I haven't given up any freedoms.  I don't travel on airlines, anyway.

> If the objectives of the 'War on Terrorism' were to catch the
> perpetrators of the 11 September attacks, bring them to justice and
> make the world a safer place, so far the score - on all three
> objectives - has been nil.  We're all jumping around scared shitless
> that something similar is going to happen at any moment.

So what if it does?  It just means some of us get a free ride out of here.

> No perpetrators have been caught; no perpetrators have been brought to
> justice.

Well... They've been running and hiding.  What do you expect?

> Mark you, this last is not really surprising.  Just think: if the
> police were setting out to catch a particularly clever and evil
> murderer, would they go around with loud-hailers announcing where they
> were going to look for him, pinpoint the areas they intended to search
> and give him a count of 100 to get away?

Anyone with a police scanner and trunk system is free to hear what steps the
police are taking to catch you in a car chase.  There will be communications
of some form.  Plus, car chases are televised and the people are still caught.

> That's what you do if you're playing hide and seek, not if you want to catch a
> criminal. I rather imagine the police would have gone to work covertly and
> tried to find out where he was without his even knowing they were looking for
> him.

Riiiight.  You don't ram two jetliners into the two tallest buildings in New
York City and then drop another one on the Pentagon without *somebody*
noticing.  Whoever did this knew that he would be the subject of an intensive
search and destroy mission.  If he thought he could do this and expect
everyone to act like nothing happened, he has a lower IQ than a roach turd.

> But I realise that's not a very American way of going about things.

Not all of us are Ra Ra Ra about war.  The thing about America is that there
are a lot of different types of people with many different opinions.  I used
to think that all British people were polite and intelligent.  Then I realized
it was the accent that made it seem that way.  You people have some real
retards, just like we have over here.  They're all over the world.  The
difference is that your retards sound intelligent because they have a
beautiful accent and ours sound like they live in Arkansas.

> However, finally the 'War on Terrorism' is achieving its policy
> objectives.  Osama bin Laden is looking haggard.  We may not have
> caught him or brought him to justice but, at the cost of thousands of
> innocent Afghan lives, billions of dollars of US citizens' money and
> the civil liberties of the Free World, we have got him looking
> haggard.
>
> It's a sensational and ground-breaking moment that justifies all the
> news coverage it's been getting.

Nothing can justify all the news coverage this has been getting.  I haven't
really watched the news in several weeks because it's been the same old stuff
day after day and hour after hour.  I've been watching prime time TechTV
instead -- The Screen Savers, Big Thinkers, Silicon Spin, etc....

> If Osama bin Laden is looking haggard, that means he's scared - or
> tired or eaten something that disagrees with him - but at least it
> means he's not enjoying himself as he was in his previous video.

He shouldn't be scared since he's going to a wonderous paradise when he
dies—the same one Hitler went to when he died.

> This is a considerable triumph for the US forces, for the brave bomber pilots
> who release their bombs from such considerable and dangerous heights
> above the ground, and for Tony Blair, who has so fearlessly led his entire
> nation into the position of being terrorist targets for no good reason that any
> of us can think of.

So in other words, you're mad that you played a role in possibly saving the
world from a fascist dictator, and you would have rather seen only Americans
take on the task of protecting the rest of the world.  Funny how so much of
the world sees America as an imperial dictatorship, and when we try to
eliminate a dangerous person, suddenly we're foolish.  Believe me, I'm no
friend of war, but I certainly don't want some asshole like bin Laden coming
over here and telling me exactly how to live my life.  We have enough of that
going on in Amerika as it is.  But as bad as Amerika is now, I'd rather live
here the way it is now than to live here after someone like Usama bin Laden
takes power.  Hopefully if someone like bin Laden is ever elected president,
one of those psychotic people in the counrtry will do us all a favor and
assassinate him.

> So keep up the good work, President Bush and Prime Minister Blair, let's
> see if we can continue in this vein

"Vein"  . . . <snickers>  I can see us all doing the backstroke through some
coronary artery.

> and perhaps - at the cost of only another few billion dollars, a lot
> more innocent lives, many more civil rights, and the stability of the
> Middle East, India and Pakistan, and perhaps a Third World War, we
> might even be able to make Osama bin Laden frown.

Maybe we should stop all this and see what happens.  Maybe we should all erect
a giant statue of bin Laden's phallus and let it flow with a fountain of Karo
corn syrup as we bow and worship it.  Then we could hand him the seat to be
the King of Earth and we can all reward him for what he did.  I'm certain he
would be quite good at running the planet the way he said he wanted to run it.
No movies, no amusement parks.  Women are backslapped until their heads spin
like tops just because a lock of hair falls out of place.  Yeah... He's my
kinda guy.  Usama bin Laden:  You're my hero, my inspiration and my God.  I
worship you forever and always, Amen.

Damaeus

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