-Caveat Lector- On 20 Apr 2002 at 17:27, Xxx Yyy wrote:
> And what seem to be the rules by which the Muslims > live? And don't forget that the Islamic countries have been living by those rules ever since they were codified and enforced for almost 15 hundred years. They have a tough system over there. Given the natural tendencies of the indigenous and the type of lifestyles imposed by the environment, it has been deemed necessary. But I am not to judge as they have their own sand to sweep. But also don't forget that while the advanced, enlightened and superior Europeans were living through the Dark Ages, the Moslems were going through a period of great vitality. > No other prominent culture today speaks about holy war the way > several main Muslim currents do. Sending young Palestinian children > to attack soldiers is one aspect of it. This, unfortunately, borders on propaganda, appealing to the superior Western mind as being an example of atrocity perpetuated by the Islamists against a more humane group. Whenever there is a case of pushing a group to their limits, there are always extreme behaviours and consequent deeds to be reported. In the case of the Palestinians, whether one accepts that they voluntarily vacated what is now Israel or they were "helped" along, the point remains that they are in a bad way. No one wants to inherit them or their problems. Jordan already has a large number of Palestinians. The issue in that part of the world remains, first and foremost, WATER. Jordan has recently concluded agreements with Israel to establish a desalination plant on their common borders. The problem is so severe that many lakes and streams have been depleted and have died due to overusage and drought. The Palestinians are water poor while their Israeli settlement neighbours do the splish-splash in treated swimming pools. We need not go into evaporation and casual losses. But, water is just one example of how the population is being intimidated. The overall point is when they or anyone else gets to a point of no return, beyond that point is when the more advance of our three brains begins to shut down or just space out given or lacking certain stimuli. Then the second most advanced, that corresponding to other mammals, is given priority. See your cat. That makes the third and most fundamental, common to reptiles (hence, references to Reptilian humans), has a greater role to play. Then the survival instincts, individual and tribal, take over, overtaking the civilising or socialising influences most of us enjoy. When it gets down that far, anything goes, especially when you might be dying anyway ... of thirst, hunger, tyranny, whatever. This is not -- repeat" NOT -- unique to the Middle Easterners. I would be willing to wager that in the 1940ies Europe, there were groups who experienced oppression and feared annihilation, doing some pretty bizarre things as a result. They might have worked for their oppressors and fed their own people into ovens once they had died from disease or malnutrition. They might have actually taken food from the near-dead ill to supplement their meager nutritional intake. Those left in the cities and the ghettoes may have decided to create disturbances or stage uprisings against their oppressors or even make bargains in hopes that they would be able to improve their lot and the likelihood to better survive. To be successful, everyone had to play a part as everyone was equally liable to have their lives terminated if their specific strategies didn't work. Some even became willing lackies, the "kapos" in order to get a leg up. But, if and when the end was near, I wouldn't suppose that they held on to any shreds of civility. Regardless of age. This was true also for the vanquished in the Japanese theatres. Women and children were convinced that the big, bad 'Mericans would do despicable things to them if they surrendered. They jumped off of cliffs rather than test the truth or falsity of their leaders' hypotheses. In Viet Nam, they had similar views. Lt Calley and perhaps Sen Kerrey (NE) participated in massacrees of the indigenous. The Japanese might have been right to predict what the 'Mericans would do and were thereby justified in splattering themselves on the rocks below. Mr & Mz Cool got some friends and went up into the mountains in the fall. Brought lots of warm clothing and lots of provisions. Got snowbound in a cabin. After a while, one or more of the group started to act oddly. The Cools began to exhibit what is known as cabin fever, the urge to break free of confinement and experience the wild and free wide open spaces. But it was 10 below outside and snowing and the routes out were impassable. Mr or Mz Cool began to lose it, their sense of the rational. Hope was lost, morale sinks, life lost its lustre. Strange days indeed. And they have everything they really need: food, warm clothing, wood for fires, companionship, and above all, the realistic prospect of getting out and away to more suitable climes. Earlier last evening, I watched a movie, "The Horse Soldiers" (dir John Ford, starring J Wayne and W Holden). It was about Wayne and Holden as part of a Union army raiding force, carrying out "terrorist" attacks in Mississippi. Blowed up trains, tracks, burnt cotton and houses, typical stuff. They got almost to their final objective when they passed by a Southern military academy, still full of kids. The Southerners decided to confront the Union soldiers and cavalry. They rounded up every last one of them kids, dressed them in their uniforms, issued muskets, and sent them out to the field to engage the Yankees in battle. Now, remember I saw kids. They used to take them very young in them olden dayze and kept 'em until they were ready for the army. Wayne and Holden got freaked out (it was, after all, a sort of anti-war movie) and actually had the Yankees retreat from the younguns. The only injury I saw inflicted on the brave and gallant Rebels was when the drummer boy was caught by a Union sergeant and had his behind spanked ... a wounded pride. Now the foregoing was in the United States, in the 19th century, in the proud and dignified South (military academy, recall), and fifty or sixty kids were lined up charging the Union raiders. The movie was based on real events. The motivating factor for the Unionists was to not get captured; Andersonville was up and running. So, you see, a lot has to do with human events and humans responding to them. The First Great War was the war to end all wars. It says so in the history books. When you get to France, there's a place called Douaumont Ossuary near Verdun. The place was built alongside a cemetery where many of the dead from the battles around Verdun are interred. They built the ossuary because so many soldiers were killed and left to rot on the battlefields where they became unidentifiable. About 150,000 of them in the ossuary, stacks and stacks and stacks of bones. Another 800,000 died around that time as well. Young people from civilised European countries. Longtime neighbours even. http://www.verdun-douaumont.com/ When we get down to the Middle East, we have to recall that the region was Arabian for a real long time then occupied by the Ottomans for a long time and then by the French and Britlanders for a very short time. Occupation is like pork to the Moslems. When conditions become too extreme, rules are easily broken. When one stops being able to justify life, one begins to justify death. Despairing knows no age restriction. The question becomes when and how to die with dignity and leave it to the deity to provide the solution and the salvation. 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