-Caveat Lector- 11/26/02 10:58:51 AM, Nurev Ind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>-Caveat Lector- >> How can any Jew, Moslem or even Christian try to claim that Jews have a >> completely separate gene pool from that of Moslems. > >Your delineations are fuzzy here Prudy. You mixing apples and oranges. Jews/ >Arabs are ETHNIC delineations. Moslems are people who are followers of >Islam. John Walker Lind is a Moslem. He and any Jew DO have a completely separate >gene pool. How do you know this? Taleban John is a poor choice to begin with because he acquired the religion. (Talk about mixing apples and artichokes!) I took it to mean that the comparison was among those who ewere indigenous and therefore most likely to be related. But the point remains that unless every populations' pools are tested, there's no way for anyone to determine and ascertain this. Unless -- of course -- the information is channelled. >They migrated to the Turkish provence which is now Israel, Jordan, Syria, and >Lebanon, at the same time that the European Jews began their migrations from Europe. What? Does everyone need to rub their eyes here? Around the middle of the 19th century, the trend toward reestablishing a "Zionist" homeland came into vogue. The great thrust came with Tommy Herzl's little book and his expanded hobby known as "Zionism" that was based, of course, on his impressions that so long as some people can't seem to get along with the Europeans, they may as well go somewhere else. Disapora for ever. I had as much trouble with that book as I did with *Mein Kampf* (which espoused the same aims, ridding Europe of some religious groups), neither of which I finished (so I can't decide which is the more vile). (Excuse me while I insert some data here.) http://www.cet.edu/earthinfo/meast/israel/IPtopic2.html """The demographics of Palestine began to change dramatically in the 1920?s and 1930?s as there was increased immigration of European Jews into the mandate. This immigration was the result of several factors, most notably being the rise of Zionist ideology and the worsening political condition for Jews in such states as Germany. Zionism (or Jewish nationalism) is a combination of religious faith and pragmatic politics. The Jewish religion and culture are permeated with the symbols of the connection of the Jewish people to the land of Israel. The Jews consider themselves a displaced people living in exile after having been dispersed around the world. The concept of the right of return is central to the Jewish tradition. """Politically, there was a fear that growing anti- Semitism in places such as Russia/Soviet Union and Nazi Germany made it impossible for Jews to assimilate into the political and economic structures of the Gentiles and therefore, there was a need to create a Jewish homeland. This had profound effects on local demographics. In the 1880's Jews accounted for about 6 percent of the population of Palestine, this number rising to about 8 percent in 1918, 18 percent in 1931 and 31 percent in 1939.""" >There is no genetic connection between Cananites, Jews, and especially Arabs who >didn't >really live in that part of the world. They lived mostly in the Arabian interior. >Then they >pushed out with the military expansion of Islam. The bestest Talmud came from Babylon, no? Anyway, they all are supposed to be descendants of Shem, ergo "Semites". But, again, how can your claim about genetic connections be made? More channelling? And about your Phoenicians, http://phoenicia.org/history.html """ The Phoenicians, whose lands corresponds to present-day Lebanon and coastal parts of Israel and Syria, probably arrived in the region in about 3000 B.C. They established commercial and religious connections were established with Egypt after about 2613 BC and continued until the end of the Egyptian Old Kingdom and the invasion of Phoenicia by the Amorites (c. 2200 BC). """ >It's not the STORY in the book that gives Jews the claim. It's the HISTORY that gives >Jews >the claim. Long is the story and short is the history of the story. The point remains that Israeliens are supposed to be there BECAUSE of their religion (hence, the "Jewish State") and to claim that the book doesn't play a big part in the history is ... is ... unbelievable. I mean, like, the Book of Joshua starts almost immediately with with visions of conquest of the lands from the Mediterranean to the Euphrates and this vision has been repeated in modern times (like right now ... in progress). We got it right despite some people's being long on insults and short on facts and references. >It's about possession AND THE STRENGTH TO KEEP YOUR POSSESSION. I'll keep this in mind next time my car gets stolen. Or my tax money gets redistributed. A<>E<>R <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. 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