but an IP address could be treated as an object, it is after all a distinct
entry / exit point for a network operation...
even 127.0.0.1 is used in most rcp/dpc call's :-)..
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Carrie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 09 November 2000 17:03
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [cc] interesting article about Microsoft
not sure if this fully answers your question Lee but ACL's control objects
such as shares, printers files etc. An IP address is not a object so hence
cant be controlled by ACLs, for filtering on IP you would need something
like proxy as i am sure you know
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 09 November 2000 16:39
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [cc] interesting article about Microsoft
I can never figure this..
in windows NT you have ACL's, which control what user's can access what
resources,
this works at the file system level, such as printer, files and the like.
but there nothing at the network layer, nothing in the underlying o/s, to
filter outgoing an incomming connections based on IP address?????
why is this...it's rather basic...but.....you'd think they would have
a sort of ACL at the IP layer..... :-)
Cheers,
Lee
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Carrie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 09 November 2000 16:26
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [cc] interesting article about Microsoft
This was not lashing out my friend, just pointing out that what you had
typed was incorrect
""C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WUCRTUPD.EXE - sending those private files back to M$""
if you look at http://grc.com/downloaders.htm I think you will agree it does
not mention Microsoft but other companies that trace and report on your
usage. If MS did it this site would have reported it by now - go figure
These are the private views of Scott Carrie and not associated with
Microsoft in any way
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: kireau kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 09 November 2000 16:13
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [cc] interesting article about Microsoft
Scott,
i know things are REAL slow over there in europe.corp.microsoft.com
and you are restricted to your 56k modems, but over here in the
states, we've been using DSL for almost 2 years.
1.5 megabits per second!! Wooooooohooooo!
and hey, none of my *.dat file are 5 mb in size.
try 5 kb.
(hoping no one died in Scott's family, he sure can lash out!)
Kireau Kendrick
The Cybercafe Search Engine
Cafe Cybercaptive, San Mateo, CA
http://cybercaptive.com
On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, Scott Carrie wrote:
> I am sure most people on this list know when you connect up you modem is
> handshaking and getting it's IP stack info - hence flashing lights. I
would
> love to know what kind of modem you are talking about as sending a >5 mb
> file in a few seconds defies the laws of physics on my 56k modem.
>
> By all means you are entitled to an opinion of you own, try to base it on
> fact not fiction, and if you are going to tell everyone about it make sure
> you can back it up if asked
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kireau kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 09 November 2000 06:50
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [cc] interesting article about microsoft
>
>
> Excellent Brian! yeah i can relate to a lot of that. you know you
> cannot delete msie cookies? there is an undeleteable index.dat file
> that summarizes them and restores them when you restart. but i found
> out how - boot to dos prompt - delete them when windows is not
> running. another invasion of privacy file is that user.dat. drag that
> file over wordpad sometime and look inside it - it has a record of
> everything you/your computer has ever done since its first boot. i
> deleted that thing too. and you know that login window for microsoft
> networking that comes on when you boot? never use your real name in
> that window. it attaches to your cookies and sends them out to every
> advertiser on the internet. better to use something like root or admin
> or billgates. and system.dat - that is a huge file - storing every
> little thing your computer does, that really isn't necessary. ever
> been online with no windows open but all the sudden you see data
> transmitting? C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WUCRTUPD.EXE - sending those private
> files back to M$. open up scheduled tasks you will find it there. hard
> to delete too. it says:
>
> This task is created by
> Windows Critical Update Notification program
> and should not be modified or removed.
>
> uh huh. sure M$. i don't think so. go to the advanced menu in
> scheduled tasks and select STOP.
>
> heheee
>
> Kireau Kendrick
> The Cybercafe Search Engine
> Cafe Cybercaptive, San Mateo, CA
> http://cybercaptive.com
>
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Brian TheGreat wrote:
>
> > Yes of coarse it will affect us. It will be more money
> > paid by the customer to microsoft intsead of the
> > cafe's. Why do you suppose M.$. is doing it. It's the
> > big "sell nothing but services" game. That way you pay
> > and pay and pay and.... Get it? So this is something
> > to avoid like the plague. Imagine a world without
> > ownership? It's a story of total dependancy. Not only
> > of momopolistic operating systems, but of all
> > software. I can't even buy a gateway computer without
> > a microsoft operating system. It wouldn't even work if
> > I tried to use UNIX instead, because the modem is a
> > "win" modem. If I get a computer these days, I have to
> > choose a windoze machine or specially order/build it
> > myself out of special peices. It won't get better,
> > only worse, till we all vote with our pocketbooks.
> > They are getting into this now, but next move will put
> > the software rented in the former customers home and
> > you are brushed aside. In the end, everyone will pay
> > more. Look at the ludacrous prices M.$. elready
> > charges for their entrenched software. Of coarse it's
> > cheap to free to educators. That's so they can
> > indoctrinate the future to a microsoft view of
> > computers. What are those other strange programs
> > anyways? Avoid M.$. where-ever possable. They are
> > selling perceptions and brand rather than efficiency
> > and self control or flexability. M.$. wants it all:
> > The internet, OSes, Apps,... Imagine them controlling
> > Intel? We already almost don't have any choice. It's
> > their way or the highway. Lack of a choice is a lack
> > of freedom. M$ is already too powerfull considering
> > their monopolistic behavior. It's not about being the
> > best at something anymore, it's about being the
> > nastiest at everything. What's wrong with Paradox for
> > a local database & Oracle for network database? Lotus
> > 1-2-3 for a spreadsheet? What software are students
> > taught by default? What software does the Govt. use?
> > What about writeing a letter with the wonderful
> > application called WordPerfect? (probably the best
> > word processor and not a microsoft product)
> >
> > Are M.$. OSes/Apps.:
> >
> > cheaper? no.
> > More efficient on system resources? Insufficient
> > memory to answer question.
> >
>
Faster?.....................................................................
> ......................
> > Compact? bloat bloat bloat.
> > Secure? Ha ha ha.
> > More stable? "It should be called windows Blue Screen
> > of Death."
> > Can you control what's happening to your machine, etc.
> > better? Not a chance.
> > Do you like haveing IDs attached to your documents? Do
> > you like haveing I.E. grab control from netscape and
> > refuse to let it back? What nasty little things are
> > happening inside your computer that you can't see
> > happening? What is the reason you just about NEED to
> > have 64meg of ram on your computer these days. (other
> > than CAD or other Graphics rendering software) On this
> > licenseing thing...if we snoose, we die as an industry
> > unless we just want to be a restaurant with computers.
> > Imagine if you bought a boat and were told you
> > couldn't rent it or loan it to others? What if you
> > were sold a horse and told that only one person could
> > ride it? So what gives software sellers the right to
> > say how you can use the computer you bought? Why can't
> > you send the disc back to the company for a refund if
> > you don't agree to that agreement that you never could
> > read without: buying , opening, and beginning to
> > install the software. Microsoft wouldn't keep tabs on
> > your useage and information for
> > marketing(advertisers), and strategic planning while
> > you use their software online right? Oh...did you
> > think you could use it offline? Maybe...it might wait
> > till you connect again to report back to daddy Gates,
> > or just decide to connect for you. In any case, I'm
> > sure cookies, active-X, java, and such would probably
> > be required. Imagine how my firewall would act...
> > By the way, isn't ASP supposed to stand for Active
> > Server Pages?
> > I send this to you through M.$.I.E. on a win'95
> > computer over a win-modem through the ISPs M$N.T.
> > machine to yahoos' M$IIS machine to your M.$.N.
> > account where you read it on your win'98/winME/win2000
> > machine with M.$. Outlook/express and cut& copy it to
> > your M.$. Word document and it is assigned a secret
> > ID#
> > I know it will be directed over seas (at least to the
> > UK) where it is filtered by the echelon spy network (I
> > will reject 2 persistent cookies when I click send,
> > but first I must re-logon to AOheck because it boots
> > me every 3.47 minutes if I lock my firewall)
> > This all makes me so weary.
> >
> > Brian Frasier.
> > NorthEast Digital.
> >
> > --- from skyblu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Below is a VERY interestint article about Microsoft.
> > > Do you think they will
> > > work with smaller cafes? I wonder how this will
> > > affect all of us???
> > >
> > > Karen
> >
> >
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