From:   "E.J. Totty", [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>>I think that all systems manipulate to one degree or another, but does that
>>make this country right?
>
>Never said it did. I was just illustrating the truism of the old saying -
>'you can't beat the system'. You have inferred a lot from my single statement.
        --snip--

        Steve, and Neil,

        Good lord, man!
        You can beat _any_ system, if you are willing to try,
<hard> enough.
        
        [...]
There are probably a hundred countries on this planet where the average
citizen is worse off than anyone in this country will ever be. Life's
problems are relative - what you would perceive to be a problem many
wouldn't. Lets face it - if the straw that broke your camel's back was you
not being able to shoot pistols for a hobby then your problems are not
exactly big league are they?
        [...]

        Relative?
        To hell with 'relative'!
        It is _your_ nation that is being taken to Hell (with a cap. H).
        Damn it, man, start with the what is closest to home!
        If you are going to worry about what is important in another
land, when the alligators are swarming around your own behind, in your
OWN land . . .
        
        [...]
You are just moaning and winging - we Brits are good at that - makes us
feel better. Your missive is basically a rant - illustrating problems but
offering no solutions. Anyone can do that. I can choose any topic and point
out problems with it. If the problems are that bad do something about them.
If the problems are so bad for you in this country do something about that
rather than just ranting on about leaving. Maybe the real reason the
majority don't want to do anything is because life ain't so bad after all.
        [...]

        Well, darn it, maybe you just <might> offer some advice about
what to do to extricate your fellows from their predicament, instead of
constantly lambasting them . . .
        You <are> a 'Brit', are you not?
        
        Look here: either you are part of the problem, or the solution,
what's it to be?
        Unless you like being put upon by Yanks -- like myself . . . <grin>?

        [...]
Why do you think the UK is a waste of space? In the top 10 wealthiest on
the planet. Moderate climate, relatively free, stable, civilized,
democratic and full of opportunity. There are probably better but there are
a hell of a lot worse. I get the impression you have spent all your life
here using the system to make a living - if it is so bad why are you still
here talking about going - why haven't you gone already?
        [...]


        Beginning to sound like the State of Washington . . .
        Well, I mean, on the west side of the Cascades we do have
a 'moderate' climate (for the the most part), and we have Bill Gates --
which helps put us in the "top 10" wealthiest (counties) of the state,
by virtue of proximity (chuckle), and we are 'freer' than Britain (I do
believe . . .), we are more certainly stable -- and civilized (depends
upon your definition) . . .

        [...]
Is there something better?  Up to us isn't it, not them (who the hell are
they anyway???)
        [...]

        Is there something better???
        Lordy!!!
        Heck yes!!!
        
        But, to give YOU credit, Neil, and you <DO> deserve credit:
at least you hammer the keyboard. Lord love ya, some people don't
even do that.
        If only ten more than you had the temerity to write their
elected representatives and speak their minds, then maybe -- just maybe,
your predicament would be only half as bad.
        
        Here's hoping . . .



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