On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:44:13 -0800, Tim May wrote:
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> But in postmodern America mentioning guns is simply NOT DONE. Not even on the Fox 
>Network, a more rightward network than the others. (Being right no longer means 
>mentioning guns, as Ashcroft and Cheney and the like would prefer that guns be in the 
>hands of der polizei. There's a reason Hitler confiscated guns held privately by 
>Germans.)

You are correct about the conspicuous absence of the mention of 
guns. Just not politically correct. Too much connection to 
individual action and power, which whether good, bad or 
indifferent is the enemy of passive submission to the state.

But you damage your accurate point by accompanying it with the 
erroneous, but often repeated claim about Hitler confiscating 
guns. The Waffengesetz of March 18, 1938 did not confiscate guns 
from German citizens. (Of course, Jewish people were not 
considered German citizens under the law at that time.) There 
was no need to confiscate guns from the population in general. 
Hitler was immensely popular with Germans, and the Weimar 
Republic had enacted some gun control in 1928, before Hitler 
gained power in 1933. The "Hitler Confiscation of Guns" is pure 
urban legend, that attempts to link gun registration and 
confiscation with evil's 20th Centure poster boy. It's bogus.

"The German law certainly was not an ideal one from the 
viewpoint of today's beleaguered American patriot, because it 
did have certain licensing requirements. A permit 
(Waffenerwerbschein) was required to buy a handgun (but not a 
long gun), and a separate license (Waffenschein), good for three 
years, was required to carry any firearm in public.

Actually, the German law was less restrictive than most state 
and local laws in the United States were before the current 
campaign to nullify the Second Amendment shifted into high gear 
in 1993. More significantly, it ameliorated a law which had been 
enacted ten years earlier by a Left-Center government hostile to 
the National Socialists (the government headed by Wilhelm Marx 
and consisting of a coalition of Socialists and Catholic 
Centrists). The 1938 law irritated the Jews by pointedly 
excluding them from the firearms business, but it clearly was 
not a law aimed at preventing the ownership or use of firearms, 
including handguns, for either sporting or self-defense purposes 
by German citizens. As noted above, it actually relaxed or 
eliminated the provisions of a pre-existing law.
The facts, in brief, are these:
The National Socialist government of Germany did not fear its 
citizens. Adolf Hitler was the most popular leader Germany has 
ever had.

The spirit of National Socialism was one of manliness, and 
individual self-defense and self-reliance were central to the 
National Socialist view of the way a citizen should behave. The 
notion of banning firearms ownership was alien to National 
Socialism.

Gun registration and licensing (for long guns as well as for 
handguns) were legislated by an anti-National Socialist 
government in Germany five years before the National Socialists 
gained power. Five years after they gained power they got around 
to rewriting the gun law enacted by their predecessors, 
substantially ameliorating it in the process (for example, long 
guns were exempted from the requirement for a purchase permit; 
the legal age for gun ownership was lowered from 20 to 18 years; 
and the period of validity of a permit to carry weapons was 
extended from one to three years). They may be criticized for 
leaving certain restrictions and licensing requirements in the 
law, but they had no intention of preventing law-abiding Germans 
from keeping or bearing arms.

The highlights of the 1938 German Weapons Law (which in its 
entirety fills 12 pages of the Reichsgesetzblatt with legalese), 
especially as it applied to ordinary citizens rather than 
manufacturers or dealers, follow:
Handguns may be sold or purchased only on submission of a 
Weapons Acquisition Permit (Waffenerwerbschein), which must be 
used within one year from the date of issue. Muzzle-loading 
handguns are exempted from the permit requirement.

Holders of a permit to carry weapons (Waffenschein) or of a 
hunting license do not need a Weapons Acquisition Permit in 
order to acquire a handgun.

A hunting license authorizes its bearer to carry hunting weapons 
and handguns.

Firearms and ammunition, as well as swords and knives, may not 
be sold to minors under the age of 18 years.

Whoever carries a firearm outside of his dwelling, his place of 
employment, his place of business, or his fenced property must 
have on his person a Weapons Permit (Waffenschein). A permit is 
not required, however, for carrying a firearm for use at a 
police-approved shooting range.

A permit to acquire a handgun or to carry firearms may only be 
issued to persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and 
who can show a need for a permit. In particular, a permit may 
not be issued to:
1.persons under the age of 18 years;
2.legally incompetent or mentally retarded persons;
3.Gypsies or vagabonds;
4.persons under mandatory police supervision (i.e., on parole) 
or otherwise temporarily without civil rights;
5.persons convicted of treason or high treason or known to be 
engaged in activities hostile to the state;
6.persons who for assault, trespass, a breach of the peace, 
resistance to authority, a criminal offense or misdemeanor, or a 
hunting or fishing violation,
were legally sentenced to a term of imprisonment of more than 
two weeks, if three years have not passed since the term of 
imprisonment.

The manufacture, sale, carrying, possession, and import of the 
following are prohibited:
1."trick" firearms, designed so as to conceal their function 
(e.g., cane guns and belt-buckle pistols);
2.any firearm equipped with a silencer and any rifle equipped 
with a spotlight;
3.cartridges with .22 caliber, hollow-point bullets.
That is the essence. Numerous other provisions of the law relate 
to firearms manufacturers, importers, and dealers; to 
acquisition and carrying of firearms by police, military, and 
other official personnel; to the maximum fees which can be 
charged for permits (3 Reichsmarks); to tourists bringing 
firearms into Germany; and to the fines and other penalties to 
be levied for violations."

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