-TD
From: Sunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fatherland Security measures more important than Bennetton tags!
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:27:43 -0500 (est)
Right, which is why I said the following:
"If you don't buy your Metrocard with cash..."
and
"Of course face->card links aren't card->identity links, but if you're wanted, they're more than good enough."
Please DO read the entire message before needlessly replying.
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:
> This ain't Singapore, now...it's NYC. You can (and always will) be able to
> buy a Metrocard with cash at the remaining token booths. And while I'd bet
> many have cameras (for anti-token booth-type crime, including setting the
> booth on fire), I really doubt they'd be able to accurately track an
> individual that didn't want to be tracked. Unlike, say Hong Kong, you don't
> swipe your card to leave the system...you only swipe upon entry. And you can
> have as many cards as you want.
>
> And then, there are still many unattended exit points that have no cameras
> (and in many of those remote points, the installation of cameras would
> eventually be met with graffitti or vandalism). The NYC subway system is
> just too big to monitor.
>
> Which leads me to a mini-rant. NYC has been described as "statist" by some
> on this list, but despite the laws and whatnot, in many ways its fairly
> anarchic out here. Cops tend to leave you alone unless you're robbing or
> killing somebody. Other than that, for the most part its "don't ask/don't
> tell". Prostitution is left alone unless the locals raise enough fuss over
> it. Drugs get the occsional bust, but the vast majority are left alone if
> its discrete. Now don't get me wrong...there are plenty of exceptions. And
> if you f with the cops, your going to get your ass kicked. But keep a low
> profile, don't screw with anybody that doesn't want to be screwed with, and
> you can do almost whatever you want. (Even taxes aren't a problem if you're
> willing to deal with the hassles of avoiding paying...)
>
>
> -TD
>
>
>
> >From: Sunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: stuart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Fatherland Security measures more important than Bennetton
> >tags!
> >Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:08:41 -0500 (est)
> >
> >Some of this is already in place.
> >
> >If you don't buy your Metrocard with cash, they have records of who you
> >are. It's basically an ATM that takes ATM cards, credit cards (and some
> >take cash also.) If you pay the machine by cash, you can be sure your
> >face is linked to your Metrocard - since it's an ATM, they have to record
> >who uses it.
> >
> >If you've signed up for the Mail & Ride thing for the LIRR, they've got
> >your metrocard linked already.
> >
> >Not sure about the booths, wouldn't surprise me though. You can still buy
> >preset cards from newsstands - YMMV.
> >
> >Also, don't forget that each metrocard has it's own serial number. If
> >you're not just a casual user, they can figure out around where you live
> >because you use it twice. Once from home, once from work. Further, if
> >you take them up on their offer to refresh the amount there - which they
> >try to get you to do by making it so you always have a few extra cents
> >left over on the card, there's another chance you might just use a credit
> >card, etc...
> >
> >If there are cameras near the turnstyles, it's easy to spot who swiped
> >which card and where they go based on timestamps.
> >
> >Of course face->card links aren't card->identity links, but if you're
> >wanted, they're more than good enough.
> >
> >----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos---------------------------
> > + ^ + :NSA got $20Bil/year |Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\
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> ><--*-->:Instead of rewarding|monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/
> > /|\ :their failures, we |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/
> > + v + :should get refunds! |site, and you must change them very often.
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net ------------
> >
> >On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, stuart wrote:
> >
> > > What's to link? All that can be linked is that a metrocard was bought
> > > in one place, be it a subway station, deli or whatever, and then used
> > > somewhere else, the subway or bus. Hundreds of metrocards are bought
> > > at every station every day, used once, and tossed in the trash.
> > > (Actually, most of them get tossed on the train tracks.)
> > > All that can be linked is that one anonymous person, along with dozens
> > > of others, bought a metrocard and got on the subway a few minutes
> > > later, and then vanished into the crush.
>
>
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