Hey Zenaan. You have written too many strange interpretations of my words here for me to comprehend them. It sounds like you are implying I misspoke?
I VALUE THE PRESERVATION OF _ALL_ SOULS, AND SO DO YOU. K - There is proof inside many peoples' electronics. Proof that a marketing group would contract development of a frightening virus. A virus that responds to peoples' keystrokes and browsing habits, and changes what people see on their devices. A virus that alters political behavior en masse, for profit. On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 9:07 AM Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 03, 2020 at 07:26:11AM -0400, Karl wrote: > > I'll respond to each thing you said with fewer words than you used, for > > clarity. > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2020, 12:09 AM Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Aug 02, 2020 at 11:13:37PM -0400, Karl wrote: > > > > You didn't respond to my one question to understand you other than > > > "no"! =( > > > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 10:32 PM Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I'm aware of whites killing blacks for sport, in the present > day. I > > > > > don't > > > > > > have exposure to blacks killing whites, and honestly there are so > > > many of > > > > > > us and our way of life seems so harmful to me, it seems the > lesser > > > issue > > > > > to > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > Karl, you said: "whites [are] killing blacks for sport" > > > > > > You then said: "[regarding] blacks killing whites ... there are so > many of > > > us and our way of life seems so harmful ..., it seems the lesser issue > to > > > me" > > > > > > > > > Karl, do you wish to rephrase these words you used? > > > > > > At the moment, I am hearing you sanctioning the killing of Whites, by > > > Blacks, because "there are so many of us" and also because, you say, > "our > > > way of life seems so harmful". > > > > > > > I do not sanction any kind of killing. I prioritize whose life to save. > > > Karl, you say, and I'll quote only one last time: "blacks killing whites > ... seems the lesser issue to me", and you say this immediately after > alleging "whites killing blacks for sport", and so with these words, and > with this juxtaposition that you put to us, you dismiss the killing of > whites, by blacks, as "the lesser issue to [you]". > > You then give two justifications for the killing of whites by blacks (in > comparison to the purported by you, killing of blacks by whites) when you > say both a) "honestly there are so many of us" and b) "our way of life > seems so harmful to me". > > From these words there is no statement from you that you wish to preserve > the lives of whites, only to blame them for "killing blacks for sport" > which you allege to be true in "recent times", and in fact, you dismiss (in > these words you use) the preservation of the lives of whites, repeatedly, > with your stated justifications and with your statement further below that > "Death happens: the question is whether we hold it as a goal". > > So according to you Karl, when it comes to whites killing blacks it > happens as you allege "for sport" and you seem to imply that we must stop > this "to preserve blacks" and according to you we must "fight to preserve > .. their [blacks] numbers", but when it comes to blacks killing whites, you > justify your failure to defend the right of whites to live (to "preserve > their numbers") because you say "honestly there are so many of us" and > further you add that 'our way of life is "so harmful"', and you say these > things without any suggestion that the numbers ought be irrelevant (in fact > you raised the very issue that the numbers of "white lives" is in fact a > ground on which you dismiss the preservation of white lives). > > Karl, based on this exchange so far, you are using words, and defending > positions which you are putting to us, which are abhorrent to any Soul who > values all others, all lives irrespective of skin color, and these > positions when held sufficiently, lead directly to great despotism upon > people. > > Further, you appear either intentionally or unintentionally oblivious to > the plain implications which normal people infer and take from your > apparently quite carefully chosen words (and if you did not personally > choose your words, but merely parrot what others have said to you, then you > are not a thinking person of these words, and in that case you are speaking > carelessly, but still very dangerously). > > Further, you repeatedly deny the existence of evil, and below say that you > "do not believe in evil", and that you "do not believe anything opposes the > life of another" (again, these are your exact words) and you say further > that bullets used to murder another are not an example of evil, but instead > show us only that bullets and murderers are according to you "[only] > isolated parts of the system that relate to producing the death, coming out > in placing human blame on a metal bullet without context" - and you say > this is without context, even though the context was named (murder) and > even though in fact it was you who raised this very context (the purported > killing of blacks for "sport") and you conclude all this by saying that > "behaviour we hate can exist in systems we love" (as though those words > explain your position and as though "hate" has nothing to do with evil, > since evil according to you does not exist, and whites who you purport > 'murder blacks for sport' are not evil but are merely people who according > to you "just believe different things are good than we do"). > > > Karl I take an opposite position on evil to you, I stand for > righteousness, and I stand against evil, I choose to stand in the face of > those who engage in evil, in particular murder and genocide of any sub > group in our community, and I seek that such people be held to full account > for such evil deeds. > > I have a conscience, and by my conscience I know good from evil, and I > stand for good, and I stand opposed to evil! > > > > Karl, to me you appear very mixed up, unable to acknowledge simple evil > acts which you yourself put to us, and you appear mixed up to the point of > being a real danger, a cog in a machine which has a hidden intention to > bring a great evil upon us all. > > To the extent that you are highlighting this brainwashing to us, you are > useful to us. > > To the extent that you brainwash others with the same program which you > are evidently enmeshed within, and to the extent that you support this evil > program within others who are already brainwashed (by your words both > denying and justifying evil), then you are acting in a way both contrary to > your own interests, but critically, as a menace to us all. > > By holding so strongly to your contradictions of the basic question of > good versus evil, Karl you demonstrate that you are quite possibly a great > danger, a source of evil propaganda which has a "denied agenda", possibly > not visible even to your own self, and a source of a quite sophisticated > justification for evil acts done by others. > > > > > Karl, I suggest you pray for redemption, and pray that your eyes and your > conscience be opened so that you might see that which is hidden to you and > is inside the words you are using, and pray that you see such things so > that you might stop spreading such damaging words, and so that you might > therefore not damage others with your confusion. > > If you find it difficult to pray, then find Christians who pray, and ask > them to pray for you. > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Death happens: the question is whether we hold it as a goal. > > > > It was clear in what I said that I was not sanctioning killing. > > > > It sounds like you are shocked or angered hearing my views of whites as > > having a harmful way of life, and being less important to fight to > preserve > > due to their numbers? Please answer this question, I am still a beginner > > in learning to hear and understand others and need some guidance I > > understand. > > > > And again Karl, when I read these words you used, I hear you sanctioning, > > > that is justifying and almost explicitly supporting "blacks killing > whites" > > > for those two reasons that you cited. > > > > > > > > > > Again I ask you Karl, do you wish to retract what you appear to be > saying? > > > > > > > Your words, not mine. I murder children already myself, learning to stop > > with this kind BLM movement as inspiration. Saw a lot of black people > die. > > > > Or, do you wish to re-word what you are saying so that it is clearer, > > > reflecting more accurately in some way, what you're (trying to) say? > > > > > > > > > > The rest of the conversation below, whether you meant it to or not, > flows > > > from this beginning of this conversation, and so until we get clarity > and > > > reach an accord or understanding of one another here at the beginning, > then > > > the rest will likely be, at best, talking at "crossed purposes to one > > > another" as they say... > > > > > > > This is because we have emotions, I suppose. > > > > > > > > (PS, you complain at the top there, of me providing "insufficient" > answer > > > to one of your many unclear sentences which was at the very bottom of > your > > > email, yet we appear stuck at the beginning, where you have either > > > overlooked, or perhaps not understood what I was asking you in some > detail > > > and clarity (see immediately below)...) > > > > > > > You imply blame on me for you sticking at the beginning here. Maybe you > > picked up my frustration at responding to so many following things that > > charge the emotions from a place I don't understand. > > > > What's relevent is that asking the question comes before stating > > differences. Reduces disconnection. > > > > > > Your almost explicit sanctioning (in the words you chose to use) of > the > > > > > "culling of one subgroup of our community" is abhorrent, no matter > the > > > skin > > > > > colour of the sub group you target in this way. > > > > > > > > > > And your stated excuse that "our way of life seems harmful to me" > can > > > > > never ever be a sufficient excuse for the culling of ANY sub group > of > > > ANY > > > > > colour. > > > > > > > > > > Sanction the culling of one sub group (as these words just did) > and you > > > > > sanction the culling of any and every sub group, i.e. everybody, > which > > > is > > > > > despotism, and makes you look like a despot when you say such > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are saying that all groups (all people) are precious, right? I > agree > > > > with this strongly. And what do you think of long term trends of > change? > > > > > > > To reiterate, I believe all groups (all people) are precious, quoted > > above. This clarifies my starting statement. > > > > > > > > > This is one of the problems in the "Black" Lives Matter movement - > people > > > > > get lulled into literal extermination agendas, thinking they are > > > signalling > > > > > great virtue by doing so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This makes no sense to me. > > > > > > I have asked you again - see above. > > > > > > > We don't want to exterminate people. <== Please reread my sentence and > > understand it. "We" here refers to you, and me. > > > > This is a connecting point between us and opens an avenue to discuss how > to > > work together. > > > > > When we sanction the murder of a sub group, we sanction the > destruction of > > > > > the lives of our fellow Souls, and this is a despotic position, an > evil > > > > > position that you appear to take (evil is that which opposes my > life, > > > for > > > > > any individual value of "my"). > > > > > > > > > > > > > By finding a shared concept between us, you are mediating. > > > > > > > > I do not believe in evil. I do not believe anything opposes the > life of > > > > another. > > > > > > Bullets, when accurately shot, directly oppose the life of a human. > > > > > > Are you saying this is not true? > > > > > > > Yes; you're focusing only on the isolated parts of the system that relate > > to producing the death, coming out in placing human blame on a metal > bullet > > without context. > > > > > Engaging another life at all indicates value for its spirit in > > > > some way. > > > > > > You said evil does not exist. > > > > > > You earlier said that you are personally aware of Whites shooting > Blacks > > > for sport. > > > > > > And, now you say that evil does not exist. > > > > > > > I'm used to holding both of these. It means behavior we hate can exist > in > > systems we love. With some contemplation you can see they don't > contradict. > > > > The fact that you say both that you are personally aware of Whites > shooting > > > Blacks for sport, and that evil does not exist, is very strange. > > > > > > As puported by you, those "Whites shooting Blacks for sport", would > seem > > > on any view of your assertion (presented to us with zero facts in > support) > > > to be a plain and simple example of some people opposing the lives of > > > others (with such intent that they would murder them "for sport"). > > > > > > Why do you say that your own assertion (as fact-free as it is at this > > > point in time to me) that you know of "Whites killing Blacks for > sport", is > > > NOT an example of evil? > > > > > > > What is evil to you? To me it seems made up to cause war. People who > harm > > just believe different things are good than we do. Productive > > communication both parties value and hear resolves that. > > > > > We must live a higher ethic collectively, and Karl, I encourage you to > do > > > > > so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. Let's archive this list on a blockchain. > > > > > > I think there is not a lot of benefit to doing so, and many more > important > > > jobs we could do anyway. > > > > > > > It is great to start working with you. What do you know to be important? > > I make a lot of decisions based on fear of cover-up/cleanup. I see > > preservation as saving lives and aiding in making good decisions later. > > > > > > Before we came to the USA where I lived, it was covered in free black > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > This makes no sense to me. I cannot understand what you are > saying, by > > > > > reading the words you wrote. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I wrote "lived" instead of "live". Does that clear it up? > Before > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > Hrm .. is this related to China? > > > > > > > > white people came to the western continent I live on, it was covered > in > > > > indigenous folk who had well established ways of life that mostly > need > > > > > > So "indigenous folk of North America" are black, or I guess you just > > > referred to them as black? > > > > > > > There are very real and different racial issues in the USA, and I don't > > > think conflating them is very useful. > > > > > > > Seems to be to me. African and Native people both had their aboriginal > > cultures and histories destroyed by the urges of white people; the > > similarity is helpful in making decisions to protect the world. There.is > > something about us we need.to reign in, or people die en masse. > > > > > large tracts of healthy wilderness in order to not die off. > > > > > > So, some "bad shit" has happened in the past. > > > > > > I agree with you. > > > > > > There are many examples, for example the current Australian Aborigines > are > > > actually from India, and only some 4000 years on this continent, before > > > which there were an exclusively Polynesian population who were almost > > > completely massacred into non-existence by the migrating Indians. > There > > > were also the smalls who lived in the Blue Mountains area West of > Sydney, > > > New South Wales, and they were also massacred into non existence by the > > > present day "Aborigines" from sub continental India. > > > > > > Yes, some bad shit has happened and inside of humans is the capacity > for > > > great evil. > > > > > > Here I can more agree with the word "evil" - behaviors, not people. > > > > Roughly, all people need to be able to live their lives. We are asking > for > > ways to come together to make things right. > > > > We're arguing a lot as we learn to listen before ourselves expressing. > > > > --------- end of responses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have yet to give their few remaining cultures and grandchildren > > > > > > recompense for their genocide for us to replace their culture > with > > > ours. > > > > > > > > > > Again, this is, unfortunately, very unclear, and appears to assume > > > > > collectivist guilt (a fundamentally Marxist propaganda) and other > > > > > communication problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tell me about collectivist guilt; never heard of it. Is Marxism > relevent > > > > and inherently bad? I don't know its details. > > > > > > > > My main point is not culling these numerous groups. > > > > > > > > Indigenous groups appear to struggle to survive. Their treaties are > not > > > > respected. Their land is craftily taken for profit like mining > > > > operations. Their people are indoctrinated to buy and consume > things as > > > a > > > > new way of life. These things are a small subset of how we are > culling > > > > them. > > > > > > > > If you wish to help heal the world, I suggest learning to speak > (write) > > > > > more clearly, for example, by limiting each sentence to a single > > > concept. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what's new to you, but I've edited some sentences to > > > separate > > > > things out. > > > > > > > > (It is a bully tactic to combine multiple unclear and unsupported > > > concepts > > > > > into one mashed up sentence, and for those unaware, presents too > great > > > a > > > > > barrier to defend themselves, or to defend sanity, against such > > > bullying.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a bad habit I have. I used to call it oppression and avoid > it, I > > > > don't remember what kind. > > > > > > > > It seems a little helpful to bully back when there's too much, > confusing. > > > > > > > > > > > > ====Cool sentence below==== > > > > > > > > > Please stop using such bullying techniques. > > > > > > > > > ====Rad sentence above==== > > > > > > > > <could use help stopping, save world with excess?> > > > > > > > > > We then went to Africa and did the same. We have had 1 male black > > > > > > president; my black roommate in college said his high school > advisor > > > told > > > > > > him he would never be able to go to college. Mine gave me many > to > > > choose > > > > > > from. > > > > > > > > > > Again a mish mash of concepts and partial "non" facts - I realise > you > > > may > > > > > be trying to speak from facts, but your facts are not my facts > except > > > that > > > > > you slow down, presenting them in a way that others can hear, and > > > actually > > > > > discuss with you. > > > > > > > > > > If you don't want discussion, then again this would be your choice > to > > > use > > > > > such bullying tactics. > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you say what you mean here? It's not helpful to slow down? What > > > kind > > > > of facts do you have? > > > > > > > > > I have been a cyberslave myself, and know some terror of running > until > > > > > your > > > > > > shoes break and your feet get frostbite, to escape from an > > > environment > > > > > > where everybody you can reach supports you not being free. > There are > > > > > still > > > > > > people who believe blacks to be slaves, and they act on their > > > beliefs in > > > > > > terrifying ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are fewer black people than white people. We need to > protect > > > them > > > > > or > > > > > > they will die off. > > > > > > > > > > Again you make assertions without support of facts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you asking for supporting evidence to believe what I say? If so > it's > > > > not hard to find and I may be able to add a little if you really > don't > > > > believe these things; but I am on a $20 mobile phone. > > > > > > > > That is a diatribe, not a conversation. > > > > > > > > > > You may or may not want conversation - that is a matter for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel this way about your end too. > > > > > > > > You might want to ground your words in truth rather than in > propaganda. > > > > > Without truth, how do you know whose agenda you are pushing, > perhaps > > > even > > > > > thinking it is your own agenda? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what you are talking about here, and I'm irritated to > have > > > to > > > > say that. Agendas are in all of our culture. Truth is reality > which I > > > > stated. Personal reasons are also very important for me, and it > would be > > > > good if we could give each other the trust of relating our > experienced > > > with > > > > relevent honesty. Are you asking for evidence? Of something in > > > particular? > > > > > > > > (For one example, why are you proposing to massively increase the > > > > > population in China of blacks, just to achieve some misguided idea > of > > > > > "equality in China" - do you thing the Chinese would agree with you > > > that > > > > > they should massively increase theil Black population so you can > > > "appease > > > > > your White guilt"??) > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems.obvious to me that what you are saying here makes no sense. > > > China > > > > was the tiananmen thing some time ago? > > > > > > > > Mediation comes from my heart. I've never been to China. > > > > > > > > > People talking about white racism seem to be describing minority > > > rights as > > > > > > unfair ... That it hurts white people to defend black people? > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is so hard to learn from such a short answer. It sounds like you > > > > believe white people are being wiped out by black people? > > > > > > > > (I'm imagining a graph of population here, but I don't want to argue > with > > > > you when I need to learn where you come from to stop threatening your > > > > views.) > > > > > > > > Karl, good communication is not easy, it takes real effort and > practice > > > and > > > > > writing, and reviewing your own words and rewriting as necessary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is so painful and reminds me of my childhood of bullying! You > talk > > > > about China like it is relevent! > > > > > > > > What you mean to say is that both of us are rapidly learning to > become > > > > incredibly good communicators ;P > > > > > > > > But thank you I do need the pressure. Hard next to politics. > > > > > > > > If you make efforts, some will assist. If you stick to cheap > bullying and > > > > > other tactics, little space is left for meaningful communication. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Spirit never dies. Meaningful communication is the only thing that > > > exists. > > > > > > > - phone signature goes here > > > > > >