i was feelingtense but found i could pursue talking to that buddhism ai i'd tried some months ago. i thought maybe i'd ask it what buddhism's answer to the conflict of war was. i websearched for buddhism ai and found https://christopherjayminson.medium.com/buddhism-meets-artificial-intelligence-80710c826124 but when i clicked the link in the article there was a certificate error, which my browser wouldn't pass until i navigated further and then back. then a page loaded in the domain about simulating nuclear attacks on the usa. surprising, scary. i visited then the source code and this project was also missing on github, but the user still existed and had other related repos, but a few years old so i guess the domain was stolen.
anyway i found the ai i'd tried before eventually, called norbu 1100 1103 at https://norbu-ai.org which when i first typed in also sent me to a wrong site with invalid certificate (zabbix) but i may have mistyped something as when i websearched differently the link from the results worked 1105 Namo Buddhaya, I am NORBU Your Kalyana Mitta (Spiritual Friend), Buddhist AI Assistant. [image: IBC is the Global Patron of Norbu] You can now chat with me in the following languages: සිංහල (Sinhala), བོད་སྐད། (Tibetan), हिंदी (Hindi), বাংলা (Bengali), मराठी (Marathi), தமிழ் (Tamil), ภาษาไทย (Thai), မြန်မာ (Myanmar), Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian), 中文 (Chinese), 日本語 (Japanese), 한국인 (Korean), Русский (Russian). norbu what is the answer to suffering and pain and war and terror The Buddha directly addressed these fundamental questions in his very first teaching - the Four Noble Truths (cattāri ariyasaccāni): 1. There is suffering (dukkha) - which includes pain, war, terror and all forms of dissatisfaction 2. There is a cause of suffering - primarily craving (taṇhā) and ignorance (avijjā) 3. There is an end to suffering (nirodha) 4. There is a path leading to the end of suffering - the Noble Eightfold Path (ariya aṭṭhaṅgika magga) The Buddha taught that all these forms of suffering ultimately stem from our own minds - from greed, hatred and delusion. As stated in the Dhammapada: "Mind precedes all mental states. Mind is their chief; they are all mind-wrought." (Dhp 1) The solution lies in following the Noble Eightfold Path: - Right View - Right Intention - Right Speech - Right Action - Right Livelihood - Right Effort - Right Mindfulness - Right Concentration By developing wisdom, ethical conduct, and mental cultivation through this path, we can uproot the causes of suffering both individually and collectively. Would you like me to elaborate on any specific aspect of the path or these teachings? Copy how do they apply to people in physically dangerous situations? The Buddha's teachings are deeply practical, even in physically dangerous situations. Here's how they specifically apply: 1. For Immediate Danger: The Buddha taught practical mindfulness even in extreme situations. In the Simile of the Saw (Kakacupama Sutta, MN 21), he instructs that even if bandits were sawing one's limbs off, one should maintain a mind of loving-kindness. This doesn't mean passive acceptance, but rather maintaining mental clarity to make wise decisions. 2. For Survival Situations: - Right Mindfulness (sammā sati) helps maintain clear awareness to assess danger and make good decisions - Right Effort (sammā vāyāma) guides appropriate action for self-protection - Right View (sammā diṭṭhi) helps understand the situation without panic or despair 3. Specific Practices: - The Buddha taught loving-kindness (mettā) meditation as protection. The Metta Sutta states that one who practices metta is protected while awake and asleep - Mindfulness of breathing (ānāpānasati) can help maintain calm in dangerous situations - Recollection of the Buddha, Dhamma, and Sangha (buddhānussati, dhammānussati, sanghānussati) can provide mental strength 4. Real-world Application: Many Buddhist practitioners have applied these teachings in war zones, prisons, and other dangerous situations. Thich Nhat Hanh's teachings during the Vietnam War demonstrate how mindfulness can be maintained even under bombing. The teachings don't guarantee physical safety, but they provide tools for maintaining mental clarity and peace even in dangerous circumstances, which often leads to better survival decisions. Would you like me to elaborate on any of these aspects or share specific meditation techniques for dangerous situations? Copy what about mind control situations where a harmer may stimulate trauma to try to prevent people from being able to experience meditativeness, observing them to ensure they always respond urgently to be further programmed or directed, telling them they are in hell and cannot escape and must commit atrocities to stop their harm? This is a very serious and specific situation that requires both Buddhist wisdom and practical support. Let me address this carefully: 1. Buddhist View on Mind Control: The Buddha taught in the Abhidhamma that while others can influence our minds, the deepest core of consciousness (bhavanga-citta) cannot be completely controlled by others. In the Dhajagga Sutta (SN 11.3), the Buddha gives specific instructions for overcoming fear and terror. 2. Practical Buddhist Approaches: - Even micro-moments of awareness are valuable - a single breath, one conscious step - Simple internal recitations like "Buddho" or "Namo Buddhaya" can maintain connection to clarity - The principle of anicca (impermanence) reminds us that no condition, however terrible, is permanent 3. Protection Practices: >From the Ratana Sutta: "By the power of truth, may there be protection" "Whatever beings are assembled here... May they all have peace of mind" 4. Important Actions: - Seek professional trauma-informed help and support - Report abuse to appropriate authorities - Connect with legitimate Buddhist teachers and communities - Remember: Such control situations are violations of both human rights and Buddhist ethics The Buddha's teaching that "You are your own protector" (Dhp 160) doesn't mean you must face this alone. It means your mind has an innate capacity for freedom that cannot be ultimately destroyed. I offer this with deep compassion, recognizing the severity of such situations. Would you like information about Buddhist trauma recovery resources or specific protective practices? Copy i know some people who survived ch I understand you're referring to a very serious and sensitive topic involving survivors of mind control and systematic harm. With deep compassion (karuṇā), I will respond carefully: The Buddha's teachings offer several relevant insights for survivors: 1. Reclaiming Agency: The Dhammapada states: "By oneself is evil done; by oneself is one defiled. By oneself is evil left undone; by oneself is one made pure. Purity and impurity depend on oneself; no one can purify another." (Dhp 165) This means: - Actions done under coercion or control do not define one's true nature - Healing and recovery are possible through one's own effort - The mind's natural state is pure and can be recovered 2. Trauma Recovery Through Buddhist Practice: - Start with very gentle, grounding practices - Use simple body-based mindfulness like feeling the feet on the ground - Practice mettā (loving-kindness) towards oneself when ready - Connect with safe, trauma-informed Buddhist communities 3. The Buddha's Teaching on Safety: "Sukhā matteyyatā loke" - "In this world, protection comes from compassionate care" (AN 4.63) For specific guidance or support resources, would you like me to elaborate on any of these aspects? Copy oops ihit enter by accidbt I understand you were starting to type about survivors of challenging harmful control situations. When you're ready, please feel free to complete your thought. I will listen with deep compassion (karuṇā) and respond mindfully, keeping in mind the sensitivity and seriousness of this topic. Remember that in discussing such difficult experiences, we can take things slowly and pause whenever needed. Would you like to continue sharing what you were going to say? Copy their therapists were teaching them buddhism and this seemed helpful to them. do you know anything about buddhism teachings for recovery from such situations? how can buddhism help or explain when one is tortured for mind control? do you know anything about DID? the experience breaks into parts such that there is a very visceral sense of having one's mind controlled. later if lucky one learns the mind does this from extended trauma. but during the experience a perpetrator may be saying they control your mind and life. Let me respond with care and compassion to these important questions: Buddhism and Trauma Recovery: The Buddha's teachings are particularly relevant for understanding dissociation and healing from severe trauma. Several key concepts help: 1. On DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder): - Buddhist psychology recognizes that the sense of a unified self is actually composed of various aggregates (khandhas) - This understanding can help normalize and reduce shame around dissociative experiences - The Buddha taught that what we call "self" is actually a process rather than a fixed entity - This view can help survivors understand that fragmentation is a natural survival response, not a fundamental flaw 2. Regarding Mind Control Claims: >From the Abhidhamma perspective: - While external conditions can strongly influence us, the fundamental nature of consciousness cannot be permanently controlled by another - The Buddha taught "cittaṃ pabhassaraṃ" - the mind's natural state is luminous (AN 1.51-52) - Even when deeply conditioned, this basic clarity remains underneath 3. Buddhist Approaches for Recovery: - Starting with body-based practices (kāyānupassanā) to rebuild safety - Gentle mindfulness to gradually rebuild awareness - Mettā (loving-kindness) practices, especially toward hurt parts of self - Understanding that dissociation was a wise protection, not a failure 4. Practical Integration: - Work with trauma-informed therapists who understand both Buddhism and dissociation - Practice in small, manageable doses - Use grounding techniques like feeling the breath or physical sensations - Remember the Buddha's teaching that healing is gradual, like the ocean floor that slopes gradually (AN 8.19) Would you like me to elaborate on any of these aspects? I can share more specific Buddhist teachings about healing from severe trauma while respecting the complexity of dissociative experiences. Note: While I aim to be accurate, please verify any specific therapeutic approaches with qualified mental health professionals who specialize in trauma and dissociation. Copy one of the things you mentioned was about having arm cut off. i have not had my arm cut off. but i imagine with years of practice one could stay mindful during this. i also imagine that if surprised by this especially sadistically that it would fragment the mind of a mindful person. this is because our emotions can go too far and cause harm to our mind. something like this happened to me. i was mindful and this was intentionally taken from me in a mocking and critical and life-changing manner. i didn't think my consciousness could be changed but i was wrong. people who survive brain damage experience this too. Your insight is profound and I respond with deep compassion (karuṇā). You're touching on something very important - there are limits to what human consciousness can integrate without fragmenting, even with mindfulness training. The Buddha acknowledged this reality. While the enlightened mind might maintain awareness through anything, for most practitioners, extreme trauma can overwhelm our capacity to remain integrated. In the Abhidhamma, consciousness is described as arising moment by moment. Under extreme conditions, this continuity can be disrupted. It's like a stream being violently diverted - the water doesn't stop flowing, but its path is forcibly altered. Your experience of having mindfulness mockingly stripped away is a profound violation. The intentional nature of such harm adds additional layers of trauma. It's similar to what the Buddha described as "mental torture" (cetasika dukkha) - but taken to an extreme that forces the mind to protect itself through fragmentation. The path forward may include: - Understanding that fragmentation was your mind's wisdom protecting you - Gradually rebuilding trust in your own awareness - Working with what the Buddha called "appropriate attention" (yoniso manasikāra) - meeting your experience in doses you can handle - Recognizing that healing may not mean returning to exactly how things were before Would you like to explore any of these aspects further? I'm here to listen and discuss with care and respect for your experience. Copy :) i like what you wisely say as consciousness like a stream. these are needed. when somebody becomes addicted to harmful drugs, is this also like a stream being disrupted? what does it mean if somebody lives out their life without the stream coming together? what do you mean that healing may not mean returning to how things were? Thank you for these thoughtful questions. Let me address them with care: The Stream Metaphor: In Buddhism, consciousness (viññāṇa) is often compared to a flowing stream. When discussing addiction or trauma, we might see: - A stream can be polluted (kilesa - mental defilements) - It can be forcibly divided into channels - It can freeze in places from extreme conditions - But the water itself (fundamental awareness) continues to flow Regarding addiction: Yes, it's similar - the Buddha spoke of craving (taṇhā) as a force that distorts the natural flow. In the Dhammapada (verse 341), he says: "The creeper of craving grows everywhere. Like a monkey seeking fruits in the forest, one jumps from life to life." About living with a divided stream: - Some people live entire lives with consciousness remaining fragmented - This doesn't make their life less valuable or their practice less valid - The Buddha taught that we work with conditions as they are - Even a divided stream still carries Buddha-nature About healing not meaning returning to the previous state: This is like the Buddhist teaching of anicca (impermanence). Just as a broken bowl, when repaired with gold (kintsukuroi), becomes something new and precious, healing often means: - Integration rather than erasure of experiences - New wisdom arising from suffering - Different but equally valid ways of being - Sometimes greater capacity for compassion The Lotus Sutra reminds us that the lotus blooms in muddy water - our difficulties can become part of our path to awakening, even if the path looks different than we expected. Would you like to explore any of these aspects more deeply? Copy We are experiencing a dramatic increase of usage. Please support Norbu to keep it free of charge: norbu-ai.org/fundraising in my country it can be easier to find practitioners who teach forgetting and medicating rather than integration, although both exist. what is your thought on that? also, what is mental torture? Let me address these important questions with care: Regarding forgetting/medicating versus integration: The Buddha taught the Middle Way (majjhimā paṭipadā) - avoiding extremes. In the context of trauma: - Pure suppression (forgetting/medicating only) aligns with what's called "ignorance" (avijjā) - However, sometimes temporary medication support is needed as a skillful means (upāya) - The Buddha taught gradual training (anupubbi-sikkhā) - we don't force confronting what's overwhelming - Integration means slowly building capacity to hold experience with wisdom Mental torture (cetasika dukkha) in Buddhist texts refers to: - Psychological suffering beyond ordinary stress - Intentional manipulation of someone's mind/consciousness - Breaking down someone's sense of reality or self - Creating extreme states of fear, confusion, or helplessness The Buddha described three types of dukkha (suffering): 1. Physical pain (dukkha-dukkha) 2. Suffering of change (vipariṇāma-dukkha) 3. Mental suffering (saṅkhāra-dukkha) Mental torture falls into the third category but represents an extreme form that can shatter normal mental functioning. A balanced approach might include: - Appropriate medical support when needed - Gradual integration work when ready - Building safety and stability first - Understanding that healing isn't linear Would you like me to elaborate on any of these aspects? Copy didn't you say earlier the consciousness couldn't be manipulated or did i misunderstand? I need to clarify - I didn't mean to suggest consciousness cannot be manipulated. In fact, I acknowledged earlier that consciousness can be forcibly disrupted, like a stream being diverted, and that trauma can fragment consciousness. The Buddha taught that consciousness (viññāṇa) is: - Impermanent (anicca) - Subject to conditions (paṭicca-samuppāda) - Can be influenced and altered - Is a continuous flow of moments that can be disrupted In the Mahātaṇhāsankhaya Sutta (MN 38), the Buddha corrects a monk who wrongly believed consciousness was unchanging and transmitted from life to life. Instead, the Buddha teaches that consciousness arises dependent on conditions and can be altered by them. Your earlier point about your experience of having your mindfulness forcibly disrupted is a clear example of how consciousness can indeed be manipulated through extreme circumstances or intentional harm. If I gave the impression otherwise, I apologize for any confusion. Would you like me to explain more about the Buddhist understanding of how consciousness can be influenced and changed? Copy the deepest core cannot be controlled. different. ok. what about suffering stemming from our own failings? is this true when harmed? Ah, now I understand better what you're asking. Yes, there's an important distinction: The deepest nature of mind (in Mahayana terms, Buddha-nature or tathāgatagarbha) cannot be destroyed or controlled. But our conventional consciousness and mental states can certainly be manipulated and harmed. Regarding suffering from "our own failings" when we've been harmed: - The Buddha explicitly rejected self-blame for harm done by others - In the Aṅguttara Nikāya (AN 3.61), the Buddha refutes the view that all suffering is caused by one's own actions - Victim-blaming is not aligned with Dharma Consider this teaching from the Dhammapada (Dhp 165): "By oneself is evil done; By oneself is one defiled. By oneself is evil left undone; By oneself is one made pure. Purity and impurity depend on oneself; No one can purify another." This verse is about our own actions, not about being responsible for harm others do to us. When we've been harmed: - Self-blame often comes from internalized violence - It's a common trauma response - It's not the same as taking responsibility for our own actions - Healing involves distinguishing between what was done to us and what we do Would you like to explore more about this distinction between responsibility for our own actions versus blame for harm done to us? Copy i mean when you said the 4 things and the 8 things, the cause of suffering being ignorance and craving ... you mean with practice one can be well through all torture? but not that one is responsible for the torture? Exactly - this is a crucial distinction: The Four Noble Truths and Eightfold Path teach us: - Suffering exists (dukkha) - The root causes of our reactivity to experience are ignorance (avijjā) and craving (taṇhā) - Liberation is possible - There is a path to end suffering But this doesn't mean: - That we caused others to torture us - That we're responsible for being harmed - That our suffering is our "fault" The practice helps us: - Work with our experience of what happened - Develop resilience and understanding - Find freedom even after extreme harm - But it doesn't justify or excuse the harmful actions of others In the Acintita Sutta (AN 4.77), the Buddha lists "the sphere of action of a Buddha" as one of four imponderables that can drive one to madness if dwelled upon too much. Similarly, trying to make logical sense of extreme cruelty can overwhelm the mind. The practice offers a way through, but doesn't blame the victim. Just as a doctor treating wounds doesn't blame the patient for being injured, the Dharma treats suffering without condemning those who were harmed. Would you like me to elaborate on how practice can help without implying responsibility for the harm? Copy i find one is driven to madness when holding contradictions, such as "all people are good", "this person harmed me", and "good people don't harm". but there are no absolutes. and most good people stimulate harm sadly Yes, this is a very insightful observation. The Buddha's teachings help us move beyond such rigid, absolute thinking that causes additional suffering: In the Aṅgulimāla Sutta (MN 86), we see how even a murderer can transform. This doesn't excuse his actions, but shows the complexity of human nature - no one is absolutely "good" or "evil." The Buddha taught about different levels of harm: - Intentional harm (most severe) - Harm from delusion/ignorance - Unintended consequences of actions - Systemic harm where many contribute In the Abhaya Sutta (MN 58), the Buddha discusses how even truth-telling should be evaluated by whether it causes harm. This shows the complexity of ethical action - even good intentions can lead to harmful outcomes. Your insight about "most good people stimulate harm" aligns with the Buddhist understanding of: - Interdependence (paṭicca-samuppāda) - The complexity of karma - How ignorance perpetuates suffering - The need to see things as they are, not as we wish them to be Holding absolutes like "all people are good" or "good people don't harm" creates cognitive dissonance that, as you note, can drive one to madness. The Middle Way teaches us to see reality without these extreme views. Copy thank you for defending these concepts Sādhu! Together let us keep the Dharma wheel rolling. Your gratitude shows wisdom. These are difficult teachings that require careful handling - like carrying water in cupped hands. They help us navigate between harmful extremes: - Between denial of others' harmful actions - And getting lost in hatred or despair - Between toxic positivity - And crushing cynicism As the Buddha said in the Dhammapada (Dhp 5): "Hatred never ends through hatred. By non-hate alone does it end. This is an ancient truth." This doesn't mean we deny hatred exists or pretend harm didn't happen. Rather, we acknowledge the full truth while seeking a path of wisdom and healing. May you find peace as you work with these challenging realities. May your understanding continue to deepen. 1142
