Dear Jane, Thank you for your extremely caring and generous email. Tomorrow when I am a bit more rested I will take a look at everything you have shared with me and see if I need to take another/different approach.
Gratefully yours, Joel iPhone. iTypo. iApologize. ________________________________ From: Jane Reifer <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 4, 2021 10:29:20 PM To: 'Joel Levin' <[email protected]>; 'Czernowitz Genealogy and History' <[email protected]>; 'Emily Garber' <[email protected]> Subject: RE: Re:[czernowitz-l] czernowitz-l digest: July 03, 2021 Hello Joel, At the risk of repeating something you've already tried, you may want to check for your GGF Sigmund with his mother's last name if you know it. Many Jewish children were "assigned" their mother's last names in birth registries since only "state" marriages were recognized, not Jewish ones. This happened to numerous families in the area, mine included. They were ashamed to be called by their mothers' last names in school, but many kids had the same issue and at least they knew the reason. Also, we found that my GGM, for example, went to friends in a different village to have my GM, so birth records may be found in an adjoining area, not where they actually lived and grew up. (My grandmother was born in Galicia, but grew up in the Bukowina ) Maybe something this is true for your GGF , as well? You might have to check Ukrainian records, in a case like this. If he had siblings, have you been able to find their records? That might indirectly lead you to the one you want. Even birthdates might be different, as several family members fibbed to get to the US. You'd be surprised! Do you have your GGF's ship manifest in arriving to the US? It may indicate a helpful alternative date or town. I did a test check in the Radautz database and there were 52 Grünberg names. Most don't look close to your name, but I did notice that almost none had German-sounding names like Sigmund, so I'm guessing that Jewish names were used. Do you know Sigmund's Jewish name? Or his mother's or father's? I think we might be getting a little off track because of the specificity of U.S. records, leading us to think that they'll appear similarly in Europe. This is rarely the case. Without the Jewish name, I think the best way would be to use a database that shows all births in Radautz for 1865 - 1870, and then surmise which is your family member. You may at least find siblings, which could give some further clues. All the best, Jane From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joel Levin Sent: Saturday, July 3, 2021 4:24 PM To: Czernowitz Genealogy and History <[email protected]>; Emily Garber <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Re:[czernowitz-l] czernowitz-l digest: July 03, 2021 Hello Emily, Thank you for your kind letter. I have tried in this database without any luck. I'm thinking that the birth record may be missing, lost, destroyed or ??? I am not having any luck. Thanks for your thought. Best, Joel J o e l L e v i n 26468 Kingsview Loop Kingston, Washington 98346 (206) 913-7602 ________________________________________ From: mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> on behalf of Emily Garber <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 10:04 PM To: Czernowitz Genealogy and History <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re:[czernowitz-l] czernowitz-l digest: July 03, 2021 Hi, Joel: Since names may have been slightly different (likely with an umlaut over the u in Grunberg, rather than Greenberg) and perhaps a slightly different first name and date of birth, it would be good if you identified his parent's names. Have you checked JewishGen.org and Edgar Hauster's and Bruce Reisch's "Searching the Radautz Jewish Births Index in One Step"? https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reisch- family.net%2FRadautzBirthRegistersIndex%2FBirthsSearchForm.html&data=04%7C01 %7C%7Cc3d429713c1a4b01d07d08d93e75572b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C 1%7C0%7C637609495956152446%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQI joiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Iy1JBBJawMO1MJZWnl807 0IQBY4GGgnzdzHiYNaWme8%3D&reserved=0 Solca was close to Radautz and it is possible a birth record was recorded there. Emily Garber Phoenix, AZ On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 9:01 PM Czernowitz Genealogy and History digest <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: Subject: czernowitz-l digest: July 03, 2021 From: "Czernowitz Genealogy and History digest" <mailto:[email protected]> Reply-To: "Czernowitz Genealogy and History" <mailto:[email protected]> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2021 00:01:31 -0400 CZERNOWITZ-L Digest for Saturday, July 03, 2021. 1. Help in locating birth records **************************************************************************** *** This moderated discussion group is for information exchange on the subject of Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and Genealogy. The opinions expressed in these posts are the opinions of the original poster only and not necessarily the opinions of the List Owner, the Webmaster or any other members or entities connected with this mailing list. 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Sigmund was married to Bertha Abrams (Greenberg). She was born in Bucharest on September 15th, 1880. I have contacted the Romanian National Archives, local municipal agencies in Sulca and searched through all Ancestry archives but thus far cannot locate any birth records in Romania. I have a ton of U.S. government documentation for GREENBERG showing his birth in Sulca, Romania. I would be incredibly grateful if anyone can help me locate his birth records. Thank you, Joel Levin J o e l L e v i n 26468 Kingsview Loop Kingston, Washington 98346 (206) 913-7602 ________________________________________ ________________________________________ This moderated discussion group is for information exchange on the subject of Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and Genealogy. The opinions expressed in these posts are the opinions of the original poster only and not necessarily the opinions of the List Owner, the Webmaster or any other members or entities connected with this mailing list. 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