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Timothy Snyder’s *Bloodlands* scarcely mentions Czernowitz (Chernivtsi) specifically. Critics have pointed out that Snyder’s deliberately drawn geography of the “bloodlands” omits Bukovina and its capital Czernowitz, even though that region suffered much of the same type of violence under both Soviet and Nazi rule (booksandideas.net <https://booksandideas.net/Timothy-Snyder-and-his-Critics?utm_source=chatgpt.com> ). In particular, historian Annette Wieviorka has called attention to this omission: “Snyder… leaves out Bukovina and its capital, Czernowitz, even though these too are ‘bloodlands’. Part of [these], but not all of them, underwent a double occupation…” (booksandideas.net <https://booksandideas.net/Timothy-Snyder-and-his-Critics?utm_source=chatgpt.com> ) This suggests that *Bloodlands* does *not* provide detailed discussion of Czernowitz or its fate during the overlapping Nazi and Soviet genocidal campaigns. Instead, Snyder narrows his narrative to areas aligned with his defined geographic scope—and Czernowitz sits just outside that boundary. So, to summarize: - Snyder defines the “bloodlands” as stretching from Poznań to Smolensk, covering modern Poland, Ukraine (mainly central‑north), Belarus, the Baltic states, parts of western Russia, but *excludes Bukovina / Czernowitz* from his main analysis (nybooks.com <https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2010/11/11/worst-madness/?utm_source=chatgpt.com> ). - As a result, *there is no substantive account or treatment of Czernowitz (Chernivtsi)* in *Bloodlands* itself. If you’d like, I can help you find detailed scholarship on Czernowitz’s experience during WWII—such as its Jewish community, occupations, deportations, or local history. Just let me know! On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 9:40 AM Anita Brush <[email protected]> wrote: > Another fascinating book on this subject is Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder. > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 12:12 PM Alan Gavurin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I absolutely agree with Edgar. >> >> I read this book last year after hearing the author speak at JW3, the >> Jewish Community Centre in North London. >> >> It's a truly fascinating story. Finkelstein's mother came from a Berlin >> family who escaped to Amsterdam but were then rounded up and sent to Belsen. >> >> His father came from an affluent family in Lemberg/Lviv who were caught >> by Stalin's police and sent to live in penal conditions in Kazakhstan. >> >> One of his reasons for writing the book was that, in post war London, >> some people knew about the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust but hardly anyone >> knew about the horrors of Stalin's Russia. >> >> At his presentation he made the audience laugh by saying that an >> alternative title for the book was "it's not a competition". >> >> I found this film of him talking about the book on You Tube. I haven't >> watched this but I expect it to be similar to the presentation I saw >> >> https://youtu.be/rdIb0t_sEr4?si=1yITdue2XQTRjLgq >> >> Kind regards >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> Alan Gavurin >> >> (m) 07973 424357 >> >> >> >> On Wed, 30 Jul 2025, 12:38 Edgar Hauster, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Czernowitzers... >>> >>> I would like to highly recommend this Sunday Times bestseller to you. >>> This “Family Memoir of Miraculous Survival,” as the author refers to it, >>> draws numerous parallels to the fate of the Bukovina Jews. As with Daniel >>> Finkelstein, the consequences of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact were equally >>> fatal for our ancestors too, who were caught between the Nazi Holocaust and >>> Stalinist terror. This book, historically accurate and vividly written, is >>> hard to put down until you have finished reading it. >>> >>> This is also implicitly the story of the Vienna Holocaust Library and >>> its founder, Dr. Alfred Wiener, Daniel Finkelstein's grandfather: >>> >>> https://wienerholocaustlibrary.org >>> https://whlcollections.org/search/ >>> >>> If you enter “Czernowitz” in the search field of the Vienna Digital >>> Collections, the first result you get is the “Report from the >>> Einsatzkommando 10b; Execution of Jews at Czernowitz” dated 09-JUL-1941 in >>> German AND in English translation: >>> >>> https://whlcollections.org/image/1655-1688/ >>> >>> Several years ago, I researched the “Fokschaner Family History in >>> Czernowitz” and found the Vienna Holocaust Library to be an extremely >>> valuable source: >>> >>> >>> https://www.amazon.de/photos/share/hPuvPedOXAwobOaCHfPe3CMleuOAjETQREr603m3S2F >>> >>> I wish you all an insightful and exciting read! >>> >>> Edgar Hauster [MacBook] >>> >>> ******************************************************************************* >>> This moderated discussion group is for information exchange on the >>> subject of >>> Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and Genealogy. 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