On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 16:48:55 +1100, Bruce Williams wrote: > Why not leave the current situation as it is, but add a CTRL key modifier > to allow the alternate behaviour?
That would work. I'd prefer an option to flip the behavior, but I think I could live with this. > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Jason Polak <jpo...@jpolak.org> > Date: Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] Crop tool is awkward for my use case > To: <darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org> > > > For some people that might be true, but the current system also has an > advantage: if the shot is already pretty good but just needs a slight > cropping, then only a little dragging in one corner may be required, > without much dragging. Then the click-in-square method for moving the > crop is actually useful. I would not want to have to drag a rectangle > for every little crop adjustment. > > On 17/2/19 10:54 pm, August Schwerdfeger wrote: >> How is this a JPEG vs. RAW issue? I have done a great deal of cropping >> in Darktable (on both JPEGs and RAWs) and I think that adding the >> proposed single-drag interaction would speed up cropping a great deal >> over the current process, no matter the format of the image being edited. >> >> -- >> August Schwerdfeger >> aug...@schwerdfeger.name >> >> >> On 2/17/19 8:01 PM, David Vincent-Jones wrote: >>> >>> Although darktable handles JPG images very well, I think that its >>> primary market was targeted towards users who shoot RAW with an >>> expectation of doing more complex processing on individual frames. >>> Maybe darktable is simply the wrong software for your high production >>> needs. >>> >>> On 2019-02-17 4:08 p.m., Robert Krawitz wrote: >>>> I find the crop tool to be unwieldly for my common use case, namely >>>> processing a large number of photographs from shooting sports. >>>> >>>> I shoot a lot of basketball and (American) football games for my alma >>>> mater. My workflow is to import the typically ~2000 photos into >>>> KPhotoAlbum, review them and select the ones I want (typically 300 or >>>> so), and create a directory with symlinks to the selected files. >>>> These are essentially all JPEG; RAW would simply consume too much >>>> space and slow the camera (Canon 7DmkII) too much. >>>> >>>> The postprocessing I do is limited to cropping and rotating, if my >>>> camera was not level (typically it isn't perfectly level, as I'm >>>> shooting handheld bursts). I gave up on noise reduction last year; >>>> the 7DmkII is good enough even at ISO 6400, and additional NR really >>>> slows things down. >>>> >>>> The difficulty is that to crop the frame (always freehand) requires >>>> the following motions: >>>> >>>> 1) Position the mouse near one corner of the image (say, top left), >>>> which may be nowhere near where I want to crop. >>>> >>>> 2) Click and move the top and left edges (via the top left corner) to >>>> the desired spot. >>>> >>>> 3) Move the mouse to the bottom right of the image, which again might >>>> not be near where I want to crop. >>>> >>>> 4) Click and move the bottom and right edges to the desired spot. >>>> >>>> With RawTherapee I simply place the mouse at the desired top left >>>> spot, click and drag it to the bottom right, and I'm done. The extra >>>> motions with Darktable, especially since they have to start far from >>>> what may be my point of interest, are awkward and cost maybe 5 seconds >>>> per image. With 300 images, that's an extra 25 minutes; this past >>>> Wednesday I shot two games that totaled 700 images, so the extra time >>>> would have been an hour. >>>> >>>> I'd prefer to use Darktable for this purpose, since it's otherwise a >>>> lot faster. RawTherapee takes maybe 3 seconds or so to export an >>>> image; Darktable is more like 1 second, not to mention that the rotate >>>> function is easier in Darktable (right mouse drag). But the current >>>> behavior of the cropping tool is simply too awkward (I tried it for >>>> one set and it really did take a lot more time). >>>> >>>> I tried looking at the code (in src/iop/clipping.c), but it wasn't >>>> obvious to me what would need to change to do this. I understand that >>>> dragging inside the frame is used to move the crop box, but that's >>>> rarely something I need to do. I have at least two more games this >>>> season to shoot, and if we make it to the later rounds of the >>>> tournament, I'm going to have a lot more photos (less selective about >>>> what I keep). >>>> >>>> Perhaps what I really need is a very minimalist program that lets me >>>> set the crop and rotate and do nothing else, but I haven't found such >>>> (on Linux). >>>> >>>> Thoughts, anyone? -- Robert Krawitz <r...@alum.mit.edu> *** MIT Engineers A Proud Tradition http://mitathletics.com *** Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- http://ProgFree.org Project lead for Gutenprint -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton ___________________________________________________________________________ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
