heya,

this 60D case is really unfortunate. the way we handled defaults in
the past isn't very good.. in a sense that if we now replaced the
apparently broken 60D "enhanced matrix" it'll break history stacks for
all old images.

we should probably store at least a 3x3 matrix in the parameters of
the input profile module such that it doesn't depend on an external
icc file. now if you select an external profile, you'd have to move
the icc file around with your library to be able to reproduce the same
results.

the darktable-chart workflow is somewhat better, because it does store
all required information in the history stack (and it's editable and a
more expressive mapping/lut). so if you are going to create a profile
for a chart.. i'd recommend you do it with darktable-chart as a
preset/style for the colour lut module. i think i should prepare an
extended tutorial how to do this.

cheers,
 jo

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:10 PM, Thomas Werzmirzowsky <werzi2...@gmx.de> wrote:
>> Gesendet: Montag, 23. Oktober 2017 um 07:47 Uhr
>> Von: "Robert William Hutton" <r...@helms-deep.net>
>> An: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org
>> Betreff: Re: [darktable-user] Exported JPG vs. Camera JPG
>> On 22/10/17 20:27, Thomas Werzmirzowsky wrote:
>> > I shot a portrait with my Canon EOS 60D and noticed that the JPG from
>> > the Canon in portrait image mode looks significantly better than the one
>> > exported from Darktable. Especially the blue color looks much more
>> > natural in the camera JPG.
>>
>> I have a 60D and a 5d mark iii. I can vouch for the fact that the "enhanced 
>> colour matrix" that is
>> the default does a poor job with the 60D raws (generally much better with 
>> the 5d3 raws), mostly with
>> the blues.
>
> Yes that's what I noticed too. If I switch to "standard colour matrix" the 
> results are much better.
>
>> I found creating my own matrix from a Wolf Faust target worked really well,
>
> Tim Rolph also mentioned the Wolf Faust target but I have to admit that 
> looking at the website I don't know what to order. What "Order #" would be 
> the right one?
>
>> but ultimately decided that having the additional dependency of having that 
>> profile present if I wanted
>> to re-edit the images at a later date wasn't worth it, and I do much as you 
>> do: use the standard
>> profile. Sometimes also setting the gamut clipping to linear rec2020 is a 
>> good option as well.
>
> I don't really get that. Don't you have to create the profile just once and 
> then it's done? As the color mapping should contain all colours it shouldn't 
> change from photo shot to phot phot, should it? Or would it be needed to 
> create a new matrix for every photo shot just like doing a gray card shot for 
> the white balance?
>
>> I can probably dig up the 60D profile if you'd like to try it.
>
> It would be great if you could lookup the profile. I'd like to give it a try.
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rob
>
> Thanks a lot. Also @Tim Rolph.
>
> Best regards
> Thomas
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