* Willy Williams <[email protected]> [12-20-22 12:34]: > The point of my suggestion, Patrick, is in keeping with Chris' #2 rule for > business continuity - "*/2) the data is at two different geographical > locations./*" Setting up a server at home violates that premise, especially > when one runs a NAS at home. > > Willy Williams > > ************************************************************* > > On 12/19/2022 at 10:01, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > * Willy Williams<[email protected]> [12-19-22 09:56]: > > > To piggyback on Chris' comments, there's a relatively new remote personal > > > cloud storage option known as the AmberPRO > > > -https://shop.myamberlife.com/collections/all/products/amber?variant=22314078404666. > > > Put one of these at a friend's home in another part of the region. Set it > > > up on its own UPS, with Ethernet surge protection such as this > > > -https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-ETH-SP-G2-Surge-Suppressor-Protector/dp/B079HXKRW1/ref=asc_df_B079HXKRW1?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79989588513695&hvnetw=s&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583589115360178&psc=1 > > > to guard against lightning surges. You can even plug in an external hard > > > drive (or SSD) for additional storage. Hard to beat this option. > > > > > > Willy Williams > > > > > > *********************************************************** > > > > > > On 12/16/2022 at 14:27, Chris Albertson wrote: > > > > Actualy you can extend Macro's comments like this... > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents. Who says that "X" is reliable? It can be hacked, get > > > > bankrupt or change price/policy, catch on fire, destroy by an earthquake > > > > or nuclear war > > > > > > > > The above is true for all manner of "X", that is why you have these > > > > basic rules for backup > > > > > > > > 1) the data shall always exist on three different physical file systems > > > > 2) The data shall always exist at two different geographical locations > > > > 3) new data shall never overwrite old data, subject to some reasonable > > > > retention period. This rule is critical. A common problem is file > > > > corruption. You never want the problem where a corrupted version of a > > > > file overwrite the backed up uncorrupted version. You have to keep the > > > > old copies of the files. So re-used backup media is a bad ide. Batter > > > > to just write the changes to the media until the media is full. Keepingn > > > > to overwriting the old data. > > > > > > > > You can do this in lots of ways, the common "build vs buy vs rent" > > > > analysis can be applied. > > > > > > > > The most common cause for data lost is no longer a failed disk. The > > > > most common is: > > > > #1 Operator error, you delete a file and you don't notice this until > > > > much later. > > > > #2 loss of equipment, misplaced notebook, theft or fire, electric > > > > surge,... > > > > > > > > A really good offsite system s to setup a second NAS across town and let > > > > then keep sysnc'd over the INternet. Now you have second-by-second > > > > backup. Is the NAS uses a versioned filesystem then you have point in > > > > time recovery. You can buy the NAS, built is to rent space on some > > > > company's NAS. > > > > > > > > A lot depends on if the data is business critical or not. Where I > > > > used to work there where three offsite company own NAS systems. Triple > > > > redundant offsite is kind of nuts for most people but the data was > > > > historic data from past space missions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 06/12/22 17:26, Marco DE BOOIJ wrote: > > > > > Just my 2 cents. Who says that the cloud is 100% reliable? Can be > > > > > hacked, get bankrupt or change price/policy. Until now not heard > > > > > of the first 2 but the 3rd has happened. > > > > > > > > > > My 'solution'. Just buy 2 cheap external discs. Backup to both > > > > > disks and bring one to a friend/relative (not your neighbour > > > > > because if your place burns, the neighbours place will likely > > > > > burn too). Next backups backup to the disc at your place and > > > > > exchange it with the other one and backup again on this disc. > > > > > Some work with minimal cost. So you have 3 different media and 2 > > > > > different geographical locations. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Marco > > > > > > > > > > Op 6/12/2022 om 00:48 schreef Chris Albertson: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:59 PM David Vincent-Jones > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the cloud ...... just another cost that we are being > > > > > > talked into! > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, you don't want to pay to use other peole's storage. Then > > > > > > buy a second NAS and place it in some other building and use > > > > > > that. You can work out if it is cheaper to rent or buy > > > > > > storage. Likely it does cost less in the long run to buy your > > > > > > own off-site storage but it will require some time for you to > > > > > > devote to keeping it running. What is your time worth? We > > > > > > assume this is a business and not a hobby. > > > > > > > > > > > > The company I used to work for used three large storage systems > > > > > > each one in a different city and they kept them all in sync. > > > > > > But they already had IT staff and the server rooms in place. > > > > > > > > > > > > Synology does make backing up to a remote NAS really easy to > > > > > > setup. The only problem is the up-front cost is at least > > > > > > doubled because you need a second NAS box. So you have to > > > > > > decide if you would rather pay $1,200 for the hardware of $30 > > > > > > per month for a service. > > > > > > > > > > > > The usual rule of thumb about backing up business critical data > > > > > > is that is all cases > > > > > > 1) the data is one three different media and > > > > > > 2) the data is at two different geographical locations. > > > > > > > > > > > > Usually this means the Data is on your computer, your backup > > > > > > disk or NAS, and in a cloud server. That is three different > > > > > > media. > > > > > > and your office and the cloud provide two different geographic > > > > > > locations. > > > > > > > > > > > > The above is the minimum. Your share holders would consider > > > > > > you incompetent and sue you if you did less, you can always do > > > > > > more. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris Albertson > > > > > > Redondo Beach, California > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > [email protected] > > > > <mailto:darktable-user%[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Chris Albertson > > > > Redondo Beach, California > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > > > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > > > > [email protected] > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > > darktable user mailing list > > > to unsubscribe send a mail > > > [email protected] > > > > not so hard if you set up your own server at home and use the storage on > > it or an attached drive, and *much* cheaper. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to [email protected]
your nas does not need to be at the same location. violation only due to lack of configuration. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet oftc ____________________________________________________________________________ darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to [email protected]
