Hey, I added a reference to Data.Gov.in's implementation guidelines which i think should be a good base.
Section 3.2 http://data.gov.in/sites/default/files/NDSAP_Implementation_Guidelines_2.2.pdf Let me know what on top of this should we add. Nisha On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Nisha Thompson <ni...@datameet.org> wrote: > Thanks all for the feedback! > > I'll tweak the letter and get started on an outline for standards and send > it out to people to help! > > Vaishnavi, > > Web accessibility to everyone is really important and should definitely > not be overlooked so your background is necessary! > > Nisha > > > On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Vaishnavi Jayakumar (Inclusive India) < > vaishnavi.jayaku...@inclusiveindia.info> wrote: > >> Nisha, >> >> Happy to help but I don't know much barring a bit about web accessibility >> from the disability perspective. Can research, collate etc - let me know. >> >> --------------------------------------- >> *VAISHNAVI JAYAKUMAR* >> http://about.me/vjayakumar >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Nisha Thompson <ni...@datameet.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Hey All, >>> >>> We have done a few things in the past with the NIC specifically this >>> list of data standards >>> >>> http://datameet.org/standards-for-data/ >>> >>> Feedback to NDSAP >>> http://datameet.org/wiki/responsetondsap >>> >>> But nothing in terms of a DataMeet standards for open data. Maybe we >>> can put together a few resources like the ones mentioned above and add it >>> as an attachment to the letter? >>> >>> Who want to help with this? >>> >>> Nisha >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Chandrashekhar Raman < >>> chandrashekhar.ra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Want to echo the points made by a few folks on the 'tyranny of pdfs' >>>> >>>> I have spent countless hours with free trial versions of pdf to excel >>>> conversion software to wrangle election data from pdfs available online >>>> into a usable excel format (or csv). and in the process infected my >>>> computer with countless malware.Extracting and cleaning data is a learning >>>> exercise in itself, but making it available in a machine readable format >>>> will take this to a whole new level. >>>> >>>> Tim Barnes Lees framework on the 'degree of open-ness' of open data is >>>> perhaps relevant to this discussion. >>>> >>>> 1 Star Data available on the Web, with an open license, but non >>>> machine readable - E.g. Zip files and PDFs 2 Star Data available in >>>> Machine-readable proprietary formats e.g. Excel 3 Star Data available >>>> in machine-readable, non-proprietary formats e.g. XML, RDF, JSON or even >>>> CSV 4 >>>> Star Data Available using an open linked data format (URI so people >>>> can point to your data) 5 Star Data available and linked to other >>>> data ( to provide context and relationships) >>>> >>>> I am not a tech expert - but seems that there is a lot of activity >>>> around moving much of data from '1star' to the '5star' level - and that >>>> could be one guiding thought for us as a group. >>>> >>>> cs >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Ma-roof M <mahroo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree fully. I am as enraged by the pdfs as many others are :-) >>>>> What can be more enraging than staring at a scanned pdf, with tables >>>>> of numbers, which one is absolutely sure came out of a spreadsheet..?? >>>>> >>>>> I was hinting that if we say open standards, they could take recourse >>>>> to the fact that pdf is an open standard. >>>>> And at the least, ensure that whatever pdfs get shared are not >>>>> image-pdfs. >>>>> >>>>> Kind Regards >>>>> Mahroof >>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>> Knowledge, that is *discovered*, lasts a lifetime.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12 August 2014 12:40, Vaishnavi Jayakumar (Inclusive India) < >>>>> vaishnavi.jayaku...@inclusiveindia.info> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Pdf became an open standard, yes. But the software required to ensure >>>>>> easy PDF/UA >>>>>> <http://www.pdfa.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/PDFUA-in-a-Nutshell-PDFUA.pdf>creation >>>>>> (PDF accessibility for screen readers) is invariably paid i.e. Adobe >>>>>> Acrobat Pro. Else, training on the following will have to take place >>>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/pdf.html which will be a mammoth >>>>>> exercise. The spectrum of PDF types (hybrid, /A, /UA etc) is also prone >>>>>> to >>>>>> lead to confusion. The following article on document accessibility is a >>>>>> good place to start thinking on Universal Design principles. >>>>>> http://www.accessiq.org/news/news/2014/03/why-document-accessibility-and-pdfua-matters >>>>>> *(Accessibility btw is used in disability lingo to refer to stuff >>>>>> accessible to disabled people as well as non-disabled on an equal basis - >>>>>> not just run of the mill accessibility) * >>>>>> >>>>>> Ethically I am against government using paid proprietary software >>>>>> where FOSS alternatives exist. >>>>>> Which is why I was pleased to see UK's official adoption of the open >>>>>> document format recently. >>>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/23/uk_government_officially_adopts_open_document_format/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Can PDFs be made accessible? Yes. >>>>>> But I'd go with the sentiment expressed below via >>>>>> http://datadenkers.wordpress.com/2014/06/06/the-united-nations-and-its-pdf-ghettos-supposedly-open-data-and-the-lack-of-transparency/ >>>>>> : >>>>>> >>>>>> What is clear though is that frankly, there is no reason whatsoever, >>>>>>> why ‘open data’ would ever be ‘released’ in PDF format, instead of .csv >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> .xcl. As Nathanial Manning >>>>>>> <http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2013/oct/21/development-open-data-action> >>>>>>> puts >>>>>>> it: “This is like funding James Cameron to make Avatar, and then >>>>>>> releasing >>>>>>> it in a black and white flipbook. We are missing all the good stuff.” >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------- >>>>>> *VAISHNAVI JAYAKUMAR* >>>>>> http://about.me/vjayakumar >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Ma-roof M <mahroo...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> for that matter, pdf is an open standard. So are office formats >>>>>>> since v2007 (office open xml). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We might want to specifically address the issue of the "image-pdf" >>>>>>> menace. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind Regards >>>>>>> Mahroof >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ____________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> Knowledge, that is *discovered*, lasts a lifetime.. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12 August 2014 10:18, Vaishnavi Jayakumar (Inclusive India) < >>>>>>> vaishnavi.jayaku...@inclusiveindia.info> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are there no guidelines in existence for what formats need to be >>>>>>>> used for data / information sharing? If data is open, isn't it >>>>>>>> necessarily >>>>>>>> in open formats? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Echo that the letter needs to be sent. But Datameet should next >>>>>>>> prioritise advocating for standard open formats for information >>>>>>>> sharing at >>>>>>>> the policy level. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In my work on disability advocacy, most of the time the bills put >>>>>>>> up asking for public comments are pdfs created by crooked scans of >>>>>>>> printouts. It needs to be transcribed before people with near vision / >>>>>>>> blindness can read it. Such a waste. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nirmita at CIS should be able to advise on universal open formats >>>>>>>> that would be equally accessible by disabled people too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------------- >>>>>>>> *VAISHNAVI JAYAKUMAR* >>>>>>>> http://about.me/vjayakumar >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Nisha Thompson <ni...@datameet.org >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's a really good question. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can see them making a point that they comply because a great >>>>>>>>> deal of their data is online in some fashion, just not machine >>>>>>>>> readable or >>>>>>>>> easy to find. Also they don't have a data controller registered with >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> NIC: http://data.gov.in/datacontrollers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It is unclear to me how strong an NDSAP request can be, as it >>>>>>>>> doesn't hold the weight an RTI request does. My vote is we shouldn't >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> make a separate request to the data.gov.in NIC team to meet with >>>>>>>>> them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nisha >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Rajesh D Hanbal < >>>>>>>>> rajesh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nisha, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How does our request fit with the NDSAP? Does it deal only with >>>>>>>>>> Dept of S & T or does it apply to all departments? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.dst.gov.in/nsdi.html : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Global experience has demonstrated convincingly that access to >>>>>>>>>> data leads to breakthroughs in scientific understanding as well as to >>>>>>>>>> economic and public good, in addition to several benefits to civil >>>>>>>>>> society. *Given the deployment of substantial level of >>>>>>>>>> investment of public funds in collection of data and the untapped >>>>>>>>>> potentials of benefits to social society, it has become important to >>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>> available non-sensitive data for legitimate and registered use."* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If it is relevant, we could make a reference to it. Otherwise, >>>>>>>>>> the letter looks fine to me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Rajesh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Nisha Thompson < >>>>>>>>>> ni...@datameet.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hey All, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Even though it has been awhile I think it is still important we >>>>>>>>>>> send this letter. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Last round of feedback and then we'll send it out! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://datameet.org/wiki/odclettertoecidraft >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Nisha >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Nisha Thompson >>>>>>>>>>> DataMeet.org >>>>>>>>>>> ni...@datameet.org >>>>>>>>>>> skype: nishaqt >>>>>>>>>>> mobile: 962-061-2245 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Datameet is a community of Data Science enthusiasts in India. >>>>>>>>>>> Know more about us by visiting http://datameet.org >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "datameet" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to datameet+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Datameet is a community of Data Science enthusiasts in India. >>>>>>>>>> Know more about us by visiting http://datameet.org >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "datameet" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to datameet+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Nisha Thompson >>>>>>>>> DataMeet.org >>>>>>>>> ni...@datameet.org >>>>>>>>> skype: nishaqt >>>>>>>>> mobile: 962-061-2245 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Datameet is a community of Data Science enthusiasts in India. 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