Hi,

I’m out of office till 22 August. Any RIPE Labs related queries can be sent to 
l...@ripe.net and one of my colleagues will get back to you.

Cheers,
Alun

On 22 Aug 2022, at 07:53, Alun Davies via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I’m out of office till 22 August. Any RIPE Labs related queries can be sent 
> to l...@ripe.net and one of my colleagues will get back to you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Alun
> 
> On 22 Aug 2022, at 07:52, Alun Davies via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m out of office till 22 August. Any RIPE Labs related queries can be sent 
> to l...@ripe.net and one of my colleagues will get back to you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Alun
> 
> On 22 Aug 2022, at 07:47, Alun Davies via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m out of office till 22 August. Any RIPE Labs related queries can be sent 
> to l...@ripe.net and one of my colleagues will get back to you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Alun
> 
> On 29 Jul 2022, at 16:04, Massimo Candela via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I'm not against making the purpose of the database more explicit towards 
> geolocation data. I was just commenting that I don't see why the current 
> generic purposes are not good enough (especially since we have a bunch of 
> other attributes, including "geoloc").
> 
> 
> On 29/07/2022 11:22, denis walker wrote:
> 
> 
> Geofeed wants to correct geolocation problems. The geofeed attribute is
> exactly a way to "coordinate between network operators" (with, or
> without, the intermediation of geolocation providers). Geolocation
> problems impact the availability/performance of content/services. The
> medium is the network. Geolocation problems are network problems.
> No, "geofeed:" is not covered by this purpose. It may be provided by
> network operators but it is not 'used' by them. 
> 
> And by who is used?
> 
> It has nothing to do
> with 'network problem resolution
> 
> This is a weird statement. The network has a physical/geographical component, 
> is not just topology and protocols.
> 
> We have CDNs doing great moneys by offering solutions to this problem.
> 
> It is, as
> I suggested, data that is used by external services. 
> 
> The data is not -used- by external services!
> 
> There are external services, like geolocation providers, aggregating it, but 
> the data is -used- by other network operators on the other side.
> 
> Even more, some operators started collecting geofeed data directly, without 
> the intermediation of geolocation providers. A great example of it is Google.
> 
> The producer and the final user is always a network operator.
> 
> ISP -> content
> content -> CDN
> content -> transit
> ISP -> geoloc provider -> content
> etc.
> 
> 
> Ciao,
> Massimo
> 
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