Regardless of which rule you chose to use, I think the most important thing is that it should be consistent across the database, which it currently is not in the Good Times/Let the Good Times Roll example.
> > From: "kevin weil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2003/09/10 Wed PM 12:05:13 EDT > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: Never Trust A Woman > > > i think the consensus here is that as it pertains to Deadlists the song > title should be used as it was published by the author. > > in this case, Ice Nine and/or GDP publish the song on official releases as > "Never Trust A Woman" > > I think that the first statement applies to "Good Times" as well. while GDP > aren't going to get into trouble for using an alternate title, the official > title as it was published by the author is "Good Times". in a truly > scholarly fashion, the songs list needs to include alternate titles and even > some of these references to other sources. thanks for doing the research > Alex! > > and as a related tangent, the songs area of the deadlists database does need > some attention. Matt Schofield has not had very much time to work on this > area and could certainly use some assistance. > > if there's someone interested in taking co-ownership in building out the > songs tables in the database, please email me privately. > > thanks, > kevin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Alex Allan > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 2:22 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Never Trust A Woman > > > > > > Intriguing thought: should the title of "Never Trust A Woman" > > really be "Goin' To The Country"?! > > > > I've been browsing round the copyright section of the Library > > of Congress. The Brent Mydland stuff is pretty confusing, but > > I've tried to make sense of it in the extracts below. > > > > I'm not clear about the significance of titles registered > > with the Library of Congress for copyright as compared to > > those registered with ASCAP/BMI or indeed those used on CDs. > > My layman's suspicion is that what is significant for > > copyright is the work itself, rather than the title. There's > > also the oddity that in some cases the title in the Library > > of Congress database is different from the title on the > > copyright application (for reasons that aren't clear to me). > > > > All in all, I'm not sure this is of any relevance for > > deadlists: it seems best to stick to the titles used on CDs > > etc (though there are a couple of Brent songs that haven't > > made it to CD). But I'd love to hear some of these cassettes! > > > > While I was at it, I went through all the Ice Nine songs, > > without finding anything of particular interest to this list > > (quite a few of Hunter songs that either didn't get included > > in "Box Of Rain" or were written afterwards). Email me if you > > want more info. > > > > Alex > > > > > > Extracts from Library of Congress Copyright Database > > http://www.copyright.gov/records/cohm.html > > NB: This is just songs by Brent which were (possibly) played > > by the Grateful Dead - there are a lot of others in the LoC > > database (eg those recorded for an unreleased solo album) > > which I have omitted. > > > > > > From a cassette registered on 5 Jan 1979 > > Title: "You Don't Know How Easy It Is" > > Title on copyright application: "Sunny Mornin'" > > Comment by AA: This must be the song "Easy To Love You." I > > suppose the original first line might have been "Sunny > > morning ..." instead of "Good, good morning ..." > > > > [From same cassette] > > Title: "So Hard On Me" > > Title on copyright application: "So Far From Me" > > Comment by AA: released as "Far From Me" > > > > From a cassette registered on 9 Feb 1979 > > Title: "Goin' To The Country" > > Title on copyright application: "Gonna See Some Good Times" > > Comment by AA: this is the one that might be "Never Trust A > > Woman," though where "Goin' To The Country" comes from I > > don't know ("I'm gonna leave this > > town"?!) > > > > From a cassette registered on 11 Aug 1981 > > Title: "Maybe You Know" or "Maybe You Know How I Feel" > > Title on copyright application: "Maybe You Know How I'm > > Feelin'" Comment by AA: deadlists has this as "Maybe You > > Know" - no recordings have been issued > > > > From a cassette registered on 19 Jun 1983 > > Title: "Tons Of Steel" > > Title on copyright application: "Made To Role" <sic> > > > > From a cassette registered on 19 Apr 1988 > > "Blow Away" > > "Start Your Engines" > > "I Will Take You Home" > > Comment by AA: the title used on the "So Many Roads" box set > > is "Gentlemen, Start Your Engines" > > > > From a cassette registered on 18 Apr 1984 > > (by Ice Nine, but not credited to Brent Mydland or anyone > > else) "I Don't Need Love" "Revolutionary Hamstrung Blues" > > Comment by AA: deadlists has "Don't Need Love." [This > > cassette also has a number of other songs I don't recognise > > (eg "Lady Of The Night")] > > > > From a cassette registered on 19 Apr 1984 > > (by Ice Nine, no author credits) > > "Maybe Someday" > > [Others songs on cassette are Keep Your Day Job, West L.A. > > Fadeaway, My Brother Esau, Hell In A Bucket, Throwing Stones, > > Touch Of Grey] Comment by AA: I'm not sure what "Maybe > > Someday" is. It looks as if it must have been recorded by the > > Grateful Dead around the time of "In The Dark" but not > > released. It might be "Maybe You Know" although the words > > don't quite fit. > > > > From a cassette registered on 12 Sep 1989 > > "We Can Run, But We Can't Hide" > > "Just A Little Light" > > Comment by AA: title on "Built To Last" was "We Can Run" > > > > > > > > > > > >
