On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 6:57 AM Nicolas Dandrimont <ol...@debian.org> wrote:
> Ohai, > > * Wouter Verhelst <wou...@debian.org> [2019-09-11 12:56:40 +0200]: > > > Hi, > > > > (said this on IRC too, but for the benefit of those who don't follow > that...) > > > > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 05:53:24PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > > > We're running video for a Debian conference in Switzerland two > weekends after > > > PyConZA. > > > > Yeah, that's fairly close. > > > > > If the equipment needs overlap, I'm not too confident that shipping > > > our hardware halfway around the world will work out considering postal > and > > > customs delays as well as just plain volunteer delays, etc. > > > > PyConZA is considering to buy their own blackmagic cards. They are > > planning to rent computers and cameras, so that shouldn't be an issue. > > > > So if that happens, this would only require the opsises, or something to > > replace them. > > How many of them? I only have two of them in Paris, and to be confident I > kinda > need two in Vaumarcus. > > > > We also don't have a good story for doing temporary imports using > commercial > > > shipment companies. I don't think I'll be able to come up with one in > less > > > than a month (but someone should definitely feel free to try). > > > > Can you clarify what the issue here is? > > "Commercial off the shelf" (UPS/FedEx/...) shipping companies don't know > how to > handle temporary import of goods in a country. You'll have to pay VAT (and > the > hefty customs management fees) on the declared value of the goods on entry > in > the country of destination, and again when entering back the country of > origin > (and then, if you're bored, you get to argue with both tax offices that the > goods have been reexported/reimported to get that reimbursed). > > The single quote that I obtained for so-called "Carnet shipment services" > (where the shipment company handles the temporary import procedure) to ZA, > back > in 2016, was... prohibitive (multiple times what UPS had quoted, which was > even more than just getting extra luggage). > A few years ago I've spent some time looking into this and gave up. I remember being appalled by such fees too, and realized these companies are optimized for large scale commercial transactions, not small almost personal use. I remember one company quoting $1000 + x% of estimated value just to prepare the paperwork for me to drive equipment in my car to Canada. I did it myself: spend an hour or 2 to find the form, print, fill it out, hand it to a customs agent as I crossed the border. Similar experience with carnet service. quick google shows $230 for $10,000 worth, but I'm pretty sure there more fees for what is needed to get stuff to PyConZA on time. quick google found these: https://www.uscib.org/register-and-apply-ud-859/ https://www.atacarnet.com/fees > > Cheers, > -- > Nicolas Dandrimont > > lp1 on fire > (One of the more obfuscated kernel messages) > -- Carl K
