On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 2:03 PM Carl Karsten <c...@nextdayvideo.com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 6:57 AM Nicolas Dandrimont <ol...@debian.org> > wrote: > >> Ohai, >> >> * Wouter Verhelst <wou...@debian.org> [2019-09-11 12:56:40 +0200]: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > (said this on IRC too, but for the benefit of those who don't follow >> that...) >> > >> > On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 05:53:24PM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: >> > > Hey, >> > > >> > > We're running video for a Debian conference in Switzerland two >> weekends after >> > > PyConZA. >> > >> > Yeah, that's fairly close. >> > >> > > If the equipment needs overlap, I'm not too confident that shipping >> > > our hardware halfway around the world will work out considering >> postal and >> > > customs delays as well as just plain volunteer delays, etc. >> > >> > PyConZA is considering to buy their own blackmagic cards. They are >> > planning to rent computers and cameras, so that shouldn't be an issue. >> > >> > So if that happens, this would only require the opsises, or something to >> > replace them. >> >> How many of them? I only have two of them in Paris, and to be confident I >> kinda >> need two in Vaumarcus. >> >> > > We also don't have a good story for doing temporary imports using >> commercial >> > > shipment companies. I don't think I'll be able to come up with one in >> less >> > > than a month (but someone should definitely feel free to try). >> > >> > Can you clarify what the issue here is? >> >> "Commercial off the shelf" (UPS/FedEx/...) shipping companies don't know >> how to >> handle temporary import of goods in a country. You'll have to pay VAT >> (and the >> hefty customs management fees) on the declared value of the goods on >> entry in >> the country of destination, and again when entering back the country of >> origin >> (and then, if you're bored, you get to argue with both tax offices that >> the >> goods have been reexported/reimported to get that reimbursed). >> >> The single quote that I obtained for so-called "Carnet shipment services" >> (where the shipment company handles the temporary import procedure) to >> ZA, back >> in 2016, was... prohibitive (multiple times what UPS had quoted, which >> was >> even more than just getting extra luggage). >> > > A few years ago I've spent some time looking into this and gave up. I > remember being appalled by such fees too, and realized these companies are > optimized for large scale commercial transactions, not small almost > personal use. > > I remember one company quoting $1000 + x% of estimated value just to > prepare the paperwork for me to drive equipment in my car to Canada. > I did it myself: spend an hour or 2 to find the form, print, fill it out, > hand it to a customs agent as I crossed the border. > Note: what I did myself was not carnet - it was form ABC-123 something that only the US cares about so I won't have to pay to bring the equipment back into the US, > > Similar experience with carnet service. quick google shows $230 for > $10,000 worth, but I'm pretty sure there more fees for what is needed to > get stuff to PyConZA on time. > > quick google found these: > https://www.uscib.org/register-and-apply-ud-859/ > https://www.atacarnet.com/fees > Just talked to one - $600 for carnet, which includes a bond that covers taxes/tarifs etc for $1200 worth of stuff being used and returned. Shipping will be it's own fee. > > > > >> >> Cheers, >> -- >> Nicolas Dandrimont >> >> lp1 on fire >> (One of the more obfuscated kernel messages) >> > > > -- > Carl K > -- Carl K
