Hi, Thanks for your comment Stefano. (I have made further efforts as below.)
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 03:48:56PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 02:32:07AM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 10:24:30AM -0700, Grant H. wrote: > > > Sorry, also to just clarify the bug and what the issue is. > > > > Thanks. maybe I should have read link in detail so it is partially my > > fault too. Excuse me. > > Let me join the "I'm sorry club" :-) --- I'm sorry for the long delay in > replying to this. > > It looks like you've already narrowed down the purpose of this kind of > bug, but let me clarify that I did not call for any kind of mass bug > filing (MBF). In fact, we have discuss this point on the > fsf-collab-discuss list on Alioth and recommended to discuss MBF there > before proceeding. > > At the same time, this kind of bug reports predates the creation of the > collaboration group, and rightly so. Derivatives distributions such as > gNewSense have since quite a while started reporting similar bug reports > to Debian packages, (user)tagging them appropriately so that they're > easy to find a posteriori. I don't think that each of those bug reports > needs a project-wide discussion, most of those bugs are fully within the > realm of individual maintainer decisions. Some will be different, for > sure, but I don't think that will be case for all of them. Let's look at > the specifics. > > In this case, I think the discussion that needs to happen with Osamu, as > package maintainer, is on if and how non-free should be mentioned in the > developer-reference. That non-free is *hosted* on Debian servers is a ^^^debian-reference > fact, as it is a fact that the Social Contract declares non-free (and > contrib) as not being part of Debian. Considering the two aspects > together, I think the debian-reference can mention non-free, but should > take good care of clarifying the risks that the users take in picking > software from there (lack of freedom and, more practically, lack of > support from Debian, as we can't support stuff for which we don't have > the source code properly). Osamu: would you agree with that? Yes. I also re-thought about the whole thing again. One of the problem was that the section title had "non-free hardware ...". This made the tone and impression quite skewed. Of course, my initial intent was helping people looking for non-free firmware etc. But I did not wish to encourage non-free software. Basically, I added new section in package management section: 2.1.5. Debian is 100% free http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_debian_is_100_free (I included some of your comments there. SC4 and sc5 quoted there to be sure. I also mention GFDL+invariant being non-free there. I tried to avoid any critical comment to the position taken by GNU on GFDL+invariant. I merely mention it so people will not miss it if they wish. I once wrote reference to GNU's free guideline and stated they are essentially the same except the scope of software. But I decided to mention scope of software just being wide foe Debian with the new update made now.) Also rewrote old problematic "non-free hardware..." section title to: 9.7.6. Hardware drivers and firmware http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch09.en.html#_hardware_drivers_and_firmware (New content after Ben Hutchings's comment and additional checks.) Please read them after next update cycle within few hours or so since I added some changes. If you have suggestion, let me know. > Grant: would that be enough to fix the "issue", in LibrePlanet's view? > > If you don't, I would understand. But in that case please leave this bug > open and tag it as "wontfix", as the purpose of the bug reporting > exercise is to document this kind of issues and their current state in > Debian. I hope this new tone of text makes it easier for both sides. If this is not good enough, I seek better text first. So, more like "moreinfo" first. Regards, Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
