On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 03:28:44PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 09:09:37PM -0700, Grant H. wrote:
> > Ok, I will preface this by saying I do NOT speak for the FSF.  However,
> > in my personal opinion the new documentation does in fact clarify the
> > position of Debian but I don't think it does enough to fix the "issue"
> > from LibrePlanet's view.  Here are a couple examples of why I think that:
> 
> Hi Grant, thanks again for following up and for acknowledging
> progress. I agree that what you point out *might* be problematic, but I
> think at this point we'd really need some sort of authoritative answer
> to solve the "FSF-approved" part. In the meantime, I'm happy that we've
> improved things no matter what, which is part of the beneficial
> side-effects I was hoping to obtain with bug reports like this one.
> 
> Let me just drill-down a bit more in your analysis:
> 
> > 1) Additionally, it must take care not to recommend nonfree software.
> 
> I think this point is no longer in cause: mentioning something exists is
> arguably different than recommending. In fact, with the new text by
> Osamu we now recommend *against* using contrib/non-free and motivate
> that recommendation.
> 
> > 2) What would be unacceptable is for the documentation to give people
> > instructions for installing a nonfree program on the system, or mention
> > conveniences they might gain by doing so.
> 
> This point might still be in cause, you're right. I guess we might go
> down a bit more on this, but the barrier between mentioning that
> contrib/non-free exist (that is somehow a direct consequence of the
> Debian Constitution, IMHO) and "giving instructions" on how to install
> software from there is very blurry in my opinion.  If someone has
> wording suggestions on how to fix this, they're more than welcome.
> 
> Cheers.
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