Am 07.11.2023 um 02:28 schrieb Thorsten Glaser <t.gla...@tarent.de>:
>> As I'm learning from a discussion in bug #1055466, this is due to >> orphan-sysvinit-scripts "only" being recommended and not a hard dependency. > > Recommends count, they are installed by default since, uh, lenny or so (a > decision I still personally revert on all systems because that also includes > transitive Recommends; instead I inspect the list of recommended packages > manually). Reiterating what I've stated in #1055466 in other words… leaving aside recommends-are-default, missing recommends IMHO should not half-break a system at upgrade time. > In trixie, o-s-s definitely should be a Depends of one of the packages > (sysvinit? sysv-rc? or what?) but it was too late for bookworm, and it only > affected users of a small number of packages there, IIRC. Small but important. A system without (a running) logging daemon is not a proper Linux system. What exactly should pull in is probably a mere matter of taste. > But yes, maybe that should be fixed in a stable upgrade, now that we know > o-s-s is here to stay, it will be required in the next release, and there is > visible user impact. Back then these things weren’t yet this clear. Well, I definitely got some bruises and I'm still contemplating about other distro options. Should I open up another bug report for making o-s-s a hard dependency for (one of) the SysVinit packages? >>> I dislike the having the init scripts separate very much, too. But it’s >>> either that… >> >> … or try to reconcile Devuan efforts with Debian policies. > > Ugh, no. Sigh. That's why I hate politics. Technology can't fix what politics and half-cooked compromises has broken. And affected users stay behind with "WTF". :wq! PoC
