> Le 2/13/22 à 09:00, Mihai Moldovan a écrit : > > > I'm pretty sure that we can, at some point in the future, drop the > offending > > patch from the RPM package and all of this will be redundant. It > just requires a > > bit of work to make sure that older use cases (mostly alien) don't > break due to > > this, which might require a bit of development on RPM itself. It's > on my TODO > > list for very rainy and boring days, but unfortunately there's > almost always a > > truckload of other things to do, so I keep dragging it out. > > > > > > > > Mihai > > > > I fully agree on removing the RPM patch that causes all of our issues > on packages depending on it. If needed, I'm willing to be part of > reviewing what would be the impact of returning to a standard RPM > package on Debian and to help into solving those issues. Don't > hesitate to ping me for that.
I think the time has come to drop the RPM Debian-specific patches and avoid these workarounds altogether. Once upon a time it made sense to redirect the RPM DB, and to go out of our way to stop users installing RPMs locally, when RPMs were popular as a way to distribute upstream applications. Nowadays, the most common way to distribute upstream apps is via Flatpak/Appimage/etc, or (thanks to Ubuntu's popularity) via deb repositories, so the chances someone tries to 'sudo rpm -i foo.rpm' are very low. The main use of having rpm/dnf/zypper in Debian is not to convert RPMs with Alien or so, but it's to be able to do cross-distribution bootstraps and image building using native tools, like we do in mkosi (and in other tools as well). So these patches to print warnings and divert the database and so on are a hindrance. Hence, for Trixie I think we should just drop them all. It should also make it easier to maintain the RPM stack, which has languished. We are trying to move everything under the RPM Team Salsa org, which should also help. If there are any objections please speak up. -- Kind regards, Luca Boccassi
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