On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 07:39:54PM +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > > Le 2/13/22 à 09:00, Mihai Moldovan a écrit : > > > > > I'm pretty sure that we can, at some point in the future, drop the > > offending > > > patch from the RPM package and all of this will be redundant. It > > just requires a > > > bit of work to make sure that older use cases (mostly alien) don't > > break due to > > > this, which might require a bit of development on RPM itself. It's > > on my TODO > > > list for very rainy and boring days, but unfortunately there's > > almost always a > > > truckload of other things to do, so I keep dragging it out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mihai > > > > > > > I fully agree on removing the RPM patch that causes all of our issues > > on packages depending on it. If needed, I'm willing to be part of > > reviewing what would be the impact of returning to a standard RPM > > package on Debian and to help into solving those issues. Don't > > hesitate to ping me for that. > > I think the time has come to drop the RPM Debian-specific patches and > avoid these workarounds altogether. > > Once upon a time it made sense to redirect the RPM DB, and to go out of > our way to stop users installing RPMs locally, when RPMs were popular > as a way to distribute upstream applications. > > Nowadays, the most common way to distribute upstream apps is via > Flatpak/Appimage/etc, or (thanks to Ubuntu's popularity) via deb > repositories, so the chances someone tries to 'sudo rpm -i foo.rpm' are > very low. > > The main use of having rpm/dnf/zypper in Debian is not to convert RPMs > with Alien or so, but it's to be able to do cross-distribution > bootstraps and image building using native tools, like we do in mkosi > (and in other tools as well). > > So these patches to print warnings and divert the database and so on > are a hindrance. > > Hence, for Trixie I think we should just drop them all. > > It should also make it easier to maintain the RPM stack, which has > languished. We are trying to move everything under the RPM Team Salsa > org, which should also help. > > If there are any objections please speak up.
I've thought about making this change at least once a year, but I have always been, hm, should I say "too careful" (when of course I actually mean "too scared")... so if you feel the time has come, yeah, go ahead! G'luck, Peter -- Peter Pentchev r...@ringlet.net r...@debian.org p...@storpool.com PGP key: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~roam/roam.key.asc Key fingerprint 2EE7 A7A5 17FC 124C F115 C354 651E EFB0 2527 DF13
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