On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 07:32:49PM +0100, Ove Kaaven wrote:
> >Running all win32 applications is important, but since we have free fonts
> >to do it, depending on Microsoft fonts doesn't make any sense.
> 
> This argument only makes the least bit of sense if the free fonts 
> actually aim to emulate the Microsoft fonts, especially their metrics. 

Then again, wine is perfectly usable in most of the cases, as long as you
don't get wingdings as a replacement font by accident.

So can you just lower this Recommends to a Suggests?  This package only
archieves making the layout of some programs less ugly (but still quite so
due to lack of GTK/Qt integration).  It'd hardly need a Recommends even if
there wasn't the problem that it breaks Policy.

> That's not a convincing argument. If you find free software for Windows 
> on SourceForge that might work without native fonts, what are the 
> chances you're going to find a native Linux version/port/equivalent of 
> it too? High, maybe? What would you need Wine for then?

You could want wine for lots of situations that have nothing to do with
freedom, like for example running in-house software for which you or your
company owns the copyright but would be too costly to port (this cathegory
of software is in fact much bigger than "public" software, and also more
prone to this kind of situations, so not at all a corner case example).

> I suppose perhaps someone could add a "font substitutes" tab to winecfg 
> or something. As long as users realize that substitutes are not what the 
> original applications were designed for, and bad-looking, maybe even 
> unusable, user interfaces are not Wine bugs, but incompatible fonts.

I don't think it's too much to ask users to accept ugliness.  They already
accept it to some extent (gtk/qt integration as mentioned above).  Besides,
they'll typicaly encounter much more relevant problems if they use wine on
unsupported applications.

And if they really want the MS fonts, they're just a few clicks (or
keystrokes) away.

-- 
Robert Millan

<GPLv2> I know my rights; I want my phone call!
<DRM> What use is a phone call, if you are unable to speak?
(as seen on /.)



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