Dear Georges,
I think a message may be displayed during the installation of eyes17
instructing to remove the modem manager in case of any trouble
communicating with eyes17. It is left to the user instead of a forced
removal. It is important to have it in the Distro. The users in Kerala is a
closed community and we can instruct them. Jithin may consider it.
Regards.
On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:36 PM Georges Khaznadar <georges.khazna...@free.fr>
wrote:
> Dear Andreas,
>
> I added in Cc: the authors of Expeyes hardware and software.
>
> Hello Jithin, Ajith! the context about the bug report with serious
> severity is below.
>
> ----
>
> I ignored that a statement like "Conflicts: modemmanager" would create
> problems with buster->bullseye upgrades. Currently, binary packages
> conflicting with modemmanager are: eyes17, python3-expeyes,
> firm-phoenix-ware. The first one, eyes17, will be the most used.
>
> This statement was added because boxes of the Expeyes family do not
> communicate correctly by their serial link when modemmanager is
> installed. I did not investigate further, to know the precise reason of
> the incompatibility.
>
> I got e-mails of some users of previous versions of expeyes packages,
> who could not activate their boxes, and my reply was to uninstall
> modemmanager or upgrade to the new version of eyes17 package.
>
> The number of Expeyes users is currently growing in Kerala (a southern
> state of India), and they rely on *eyes17* package, some with a Debian
> machine, most with an Ubuntu machine. This community is growing since
> Eyes17 box has become an officially encouraged scientific device, to be
> distributed to all high schools in the state, together with training.
>
> I cannot withdraw the confict statement without damaging this user
> community in the future.
>
> Hence the next question:
> ------------------------
>
> How would it be possible to keep expeyes packages in the soon-to-come
> Debian/Stable distribution?
>
> The package modemmanager is recommended by widely used packages, like
> network-manager, while eyes17 is recommended by no package.
>
> I do not know how many users do really need modemmanager, or use modems.
>
> However I know better the profile of users who use eyes17: they are
> students and teachers, wo interact inside a high school. Then, the link
> with Internet is generally provided by some router or some wireless box,
> and no modem is used.
>
> @Jitin, @Ajith:
> can you give please an estimate of the user community for eyes17 now,
> and in a near future?
>
> Best regards, Georges.
>
> Andreas Beckmann a écrit :
> > Package: python3-expeyes
> > Version: 4.8.7+repack-4
> > Severity: serious
> > User: debian...@lists.debian.org
> > Usertags: piuparts
> > Control: affects -1 + eyes17
> >
> > Hi Georges,
> >
> > while investigating incomplete buster->bullseye upgrades, I came across
> > the Conflicts: modemmanager in python3-expeyes. Why was that added?
> > It is not mentioned in the changelog and the git commit introducing it
> > doesn't explain it either.
> > Should this have been a versioned Breaks instead?
> >
> > The modemmanager package still exists in bullseye, so what should be the
> > desired buster->bullseye upgrade outcome for buster systems with both
> > modemmanager and python3-expeyes installed (that happens e.g. when
> > installing eyes17/buster with --install-recommends)?
> >
> >
> > Andreas
>
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