On 05/03/2012 07:23 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > I agree that's a problem too and I share your feeling that it has been > particularly bad in recent discussions like the init system ones. To keep on the topic of the init systems, we had Patrick Lauer, a Gentoo developer who I believe knows quite a lot on the topic, coming to propose some contributions with OpenRC, and propose that Gentoo and Debian work together on a nice init system, which potentially could help us to go our way, not being bound to components which we don't really control (my readings of this list makes me believe that both systemd and udev are both going the way RedHat/Fedora wants, without much consideration for what we want or our needs, like it or not).
We should have had some enthusiastic replies and constructive comments on how we could make this happen, how we could improve OpenRC to fit our needs. Instead, I have read posts criticizing without knowing. If I was Patrick, I'd be pissed-off and I would go back to my Gentoo work, and forget any collaboration with Debian. I would have happily worked with Patrick on porting OpenRC to Debian, and have it to understand the LSB headers, etc. But if some want to fight this idea, I'm not motivated anymore either. I don't think that the main issue isn't the wording. I'm myself the author of bad wordings, because I'm not an English native. For example, instead of replying to Gergely "what point are you tryint to make", I should have write "it's unclear to me what technical issue you are referring to". My style was not willingly aggressive. This happens, and may happen again, especially when the topic is highly controversial, and participants are passionate. But that's not the problem. The issue is that there's no outcome, and that it's demotivating. If I read others that what we want to work on isn't a good idea, I will simply not work on that, and external contributors will run away. Cheers, Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4faa31cd.2070...@debian.org